PilotTHX“”The multi-function optronic system (Front Sector Optronics (FSO)) installed in the nose cone provides Rafale with a unique optronic capability. The FSO performs infrared search and track, infrared imaging and TV tracking and imaging. All functions are available in specific air-to-air, air-to-ground and air-to-surface modes to perform detection, localization and identification of targets and threats in the forward sector of the aircraft. By using the most advanced IR technologies, the FSO can detect enemy aircraft just as current fighters radars do. But its fully passive system makes it totally undetectable.
The Front Sector Optronics is integrated with the electronic scanning radar in an optimized package fitted in the nose cone, to provide an efficient and robust solution for each sensor.””
uhmmm.. more than the OSF that is totally integrated with all sensors as radar “yes the fixed electronic modes can track air target and sweep the ground designation simultanously, when you typhoon point his mechanical antenna in an angle, he leave lots of angles range blind, that not the case with rafale”, you could read about that too…
“One of those functions — as first reported by Show News — is active cancellation, a unique EW technique that locates an enemy radar in range and bearing, calculates the scatter that it will receive from the Rafale, and transmits an exact mimic of the aircraft’s actual echo — but one-half wavelength out of phase, so that the radar sees nothing. If it works effectively, this will make the Rafale harder to detect and track than anything except an all-out stealth aircraft”
http://www.aviationnow.com/shownews/05paris/top12.htm
it seems that the french ares eager to keep thier edge in airbornes systems for a while, not only thier devlopments of the AESA actually, but work on news ECM mode and systems that could cancel a big part of the RCS!!
PilotTHXjanes, is quite british propaganda edition ever,
“John Frederick Thomas Jane, known to all as Fred T., was born in 1865 in Surrey, England, the son of a vicar and descendent of several prominent naval figures and world explorers.
Alfred Rolington, Chief Executive Officer
Michael Dell, Deputy Chief Executive Officer
Michael Staton, Chief Financial Officer
Jo Moon, Chief Sales and Marketing Officer
Linda Moore, Human Resources Director
Ian Kay, Director, Defence and Transport Intelligence “
half of them worked for VAe systems! lol heyhey!
very “fair and balanced”..
Scorpion,
“2.) So how much has the weight of Rafale increased? You can’t tell me Rafale C still weights 9060 kg as it was the case for C01 in 1991. Structure was strengthed, anti-corrosion protection of navale version added to B/C and the prototypes weren’t equiped with all the systems now available for series production aircraft.
Even if Janes is not a source I normally use for data. 9850 kg empty weight for Rafale C could be realistic at all. And Dassault state the 10t class. So I ask why because Rafale has been originally designed as a 9t class fighter. “
i will repeat for you, the weight of the rafale was done for thr F3 C version, Dassault isn’t a weight monger about his aircrafts, it is called 10t class because Rafale have 7 configurations, and dassault call it as a plane in the 10th ton class, that mean between 9 and 10t! the C version the lightest and the BM version “already cancelled” the weighter..
scorpion, to be honest eurofighter consorsium released the last pdf brochure about specification, the empty eight of the plane was 11.350t empty and far from 11t!
the double seater is around 12t!
i hope you will reprocess all you biased 1997 datas about ITR etc… with the new T/W Ratio, it was doubtfull that the plane could ITR 30°/s before, but today with 1.300ton more it would be nice to reach half of the previous performances!
i will not talk about all the rest!
PilotTHXFonk, tu devrais pas perdre ton temp, ce sont des mecs qui sont depuis des années pour reproduire les news et les rumeurs du net, les données sont loin d’etres sures et ça vient de sources proche du fournisseur, comme par hazard, des amateurs mal eclairés, qui pensent avec des perf simulées sur un avion de 9.7t dans les 90’s pour un avion qui en a prit presque 2 de plus aujourdhui!
ils parlent plus de leurs desires que de la realité, alors voilà, et Merci pour ton court d’aero, sympa!
salut
PilotTHXall rafale engines will be retrofited with M88-2E4, lower consumtion and better truth and life time, i seen the typhoon weight on the facts sheets pdf on official site
PilotTHXwhere the typhoon could get supercruise in singapore, the consortium last news released the typhoon empty was actually 11.7t, while the performances datas was all done in 1997 when the plane was 9.7t!
Typhoon grew up of 2t and without engines upgrade, so his climbing, ITR and supercruise abilities ares far from the 97’s datas!
as about the SCALP uhmm sorry, what the brits recalled “storm shadow” or Meteor, it seems that with a more modern suite and electronic advanced system, the meteor devlopments would be first on Rafale, but Adla just asked to modify the seeker closer to Mica, Mica have a very special seeker, TVC missiles need very advanced seeker!
PilotTHXas for the Captor, Thales have a carbon copy, the RDY2 than they put on the m2k-9, it’s an evolution ,maybe the last one on mechanical antena radar systems…
Rafale wait it’s intensivly tested AESA RBE2 antenna, since 4 years thales have very good results!
PilotTHXEF 2000 low level in English Lake District – awesome shot
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/762255/L
Kovy: correct is it that Rafale F2 wont be LGB capable for many years to come to save money? Air Force say they have enough M2000D for the job already.
awesome shot, here
SPAIN LAKE
is the typhoon is passed over 12 tons empty now?
PilotTHXrafale builders have improved the cockpit with side stiks touch hands, voice commands, and 32° seats to improve greatly the anti G abilities, eurofighter is as Mirage generation, same kind of cockpit!
PilotTHXwell i don’t see where he eurostuff will do something well, being a heavy plane with 9.7t at start the ej200 was just enough to push the plane in the air, now that it’s closer to 12t ej200 need 25kN to get back his earlier fitness, and seeing that consortium will not provide more money on a project over budget, dont see great issues…
the strike capacities will not comes before 2010, and with electronics suite is same class than F16 b60 or Mirage 2000-9, it’s closer to 4th generation than 5th, only the composites materials get something new, so about AESA i don’t see it in near futur, no need for a plane that all partners ares eagers to cut than going through!
to export, big problems came from the crash, a “new” bird crashing without sharp causes isn’t very trustable, and it’s ugliest plane who will fly in 21th century!
a bit like the F22, eurofighter is a relic of cold war, and far to fullfill ist’s so called “multi role” missions in near futur!
an expensive farce, in shadowed futur!
PilotTHXThe english are making a lot of rumours for the retirment of the Jaguar and the french they just don’t care, probably they have always considered them as a british aircraft
and it’s more french than british,
Starting in the early 1960’s, the French Air Force began looking for aircraft to replace its Lockheed T 33 and Fouga Magister trainers as well as its Mystère IV tactical fighters. In April 1964, the Aeronautics Technical Bureau invited French aeronautics companies to respond to a preliminary design in a programme for a twin-engined aircraft to equip ECAT (Ecole de combat and d’appui tactique, or School of Combat and Tactical Support). The ECAT programme resulted in the companies Dassault, with the Cavalier, and Breguet, with the Br 121, entering into competition. On 30th June 1964, the engineering offices of Breguet, headed by Georges Ricard, submitted to the competent authorities the project Br 121, a version of the Br 1001 Taon, with twin Rolls Royce RB 172-45 engines. The project Cavalier was finally abandoned following the choice of the Breguet aircraft.
It quickly became apparent that the RAF also needed an aircraft that corresponded rather closely to the characteristics of the Br 121. On 17th May 1965, the british concluded a protocol agreement with the french for the study and joint manufacture of a low-altitude combat and training aircraft. Responsibility fell to Breguet Aviation and the British Aircraft Corporation, under the management of the Franco-British joint-company SEPECAT (Société européenne de production de l’avion d’école de combat and d’appui tactique, or European Company for the Production of Aircraft for the School of Combat and Tactical Support). Breguet Aviation was acquired by the company Dassault in 1967.
and lots of pilots wait the rafale,
PilotTHXOh … Thanx for that number; I haven’t seen it !
But after some search in Google I found nothing more …. :confused:
Deino
maybe the answers to yours questions ares where you picked up the schetches
PilotTHXHi everyone,
Back from holiday.
As I was arriving with a couple of friends in the south of France, we thought it might be a good idea to hit the beach as soon as possible since we had been driving for 14 hours half across Europe. So we went to the beach in Le Barcares (Port Barcares) and upon arrival the Armee de l’air had a surprise for me. The had send a single Mirage F-1 to fly parallel to the beach at a height of around 150 feet and some 250 feet (all estimates I didn’t bring along my tape measure with me this time 😉 ). Which brings me to my question, is this common practise or was the pilot checking out the local babes on the beach? Or was it a dream because I hadn’t had a sleep for 30 hours?
Greetings Jeroen
dutchy, it takes 14hours to go to Port Barcarés, you come with a byke?
so, it was surely a F1CR coming back from mission, and no they don’t look at bikini girls, but when comming back they watch if thier aren’t oil or any polution coming from sea, polmar is a civilian org tha watch the bad boats crossing mediteranean sea, and sometimes ask military to check somes stuffs!
PilotTHXMore G-2s again today – woke me up the loud b@st@rds. This time they did some extremely close formation flying – looked damn dangerous from where I was standing. Also, there’s a couple of Ministry of Internal Affairs Hueys doing some flying around at the moment, mostly in circles but still. Earlier they dropped some members of the 63rd Parachute Regiment on ‘Ada’ (the aforementioned beach). Fun stuff to watch from one’s balcony. Its all in aid of Belgrade’s first Sports Festival (taking place on Ada) which I might visit tomorrow as there’ll be a martial arts competition between members of the Special Police and Army SF which could be fun to watch. I’d also heard that the army had put in a team for the paintball competition against amateurs, but I don’t know if thats true or not.
PilotTHX,
First of all you should note that I am not English so I don’t give a damn about your inferiority complex or about your ‘our airshow is bigger’ cr@p. All I know is that I was at Le Bourget a couple of years ago and left with the impression that it could have been better organised. I don’t particularly care if you take that as some sort of insult to your nation because it isn’t meant as such – its just a statement of fact, plain and simple.
what make you feeling hat i’m french?
and why it should be better organised? it’s the biggest and most popular in the world!
half a millions in 3 days
PilotTHXLe bourget will have 30% more peoples than the last best years, this salon is victim of his success, and about organisation i was there yesterday nothing shocking, good organisation, with peoples carying water bottles for queing peoples, great fun and mood! so the litle englanders arguing things about being lost in Paris should just see at their own fate and errors, hey hey!
the bigest air world show will reach 500000 visitors this year, nothing to compare to Farnborough, the most boring one, sure, there are nothing to show there, peoples don’t wait, there isn’t peoples at all!
oops the eurofighter display was boring, big curves, big noises for nothing great!
Russian and french fighters was stunning and had more applause!
as if you are a nuts, you can go as dumby and go by A4 highway, only the british do that, when all emergencies panel advice to avoid it!
anyway, that’s your fate, there was 178000 peoples in last 2 days happy them!
no regards
PilotTHXTechnically not. BARS will have a better overall range than RBE2 when aimed on the same target. The point is that Rafale constitutes a much smaller blimp, their RCS are hardly comparable. With this advantage Rafale should be able to learn about the presence of MKI sooner.
But as long as BARS is able to detect Rafale at maximum range of its A-A weapons, then it is the MKI who has the possibility of the first-shoot. Finally, R-27Ex and R-77s should outrange MICA of any version.
the jammers suite of rafale was designed to keep away R77 and russian surprise, no one will discuss how about french ares nice to design their Jammers suite, remind me a red flag when F16 couldn’t lock a mirage at 6 miles! hey hey
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