๐ ๐ ๐ You just cant take the hint, you are posting highly inaccurate, insulting and inciteful rubbish that is untrue and undermines your credibility here. You have yet to provide a single piece of actual evidence, just fantasies and lies from people who spend far too long reading Tom Clancy novels.:D ๐ ๐
๐ ๐ ๐ You just cant take the hint, you are posting highly inaccurate, insulting and inciteful rubbish that is untrue and undermines your credibility here. You have yet to provide a single piece of actual evidence, just fantasies and lies from people who spend far too long reading Tom Clancy novels.:D ๐ ๐
I do believe that Mk.2 WL796 was seen at at least one Farnborough air display with the Saro lifeboat underneath it, and was flying by with 3 griffons feathered – the only one turning was port outer…..
Who needed Nomads anyway? Heh heh!:diablo:
Regards,
Scotty
I think the increased endurance was a major factor too.;)
After much googling I have managed to find this picture of the Lincoln test bed fitted with the Napier Nomad engine, it is certainly not representative of how a wing mounted installation on a Shackleton would have looked but it is fascinating all the same……….enjoy……………
Thanks for replies everybody! Fantastic knowledge base you lot have going here! Looks like I have found another one to add to my ‘should have been if only to satisfy that itch aviation enthusiasts get itch’ list.:D
I think u havent taken into account the tremendous Wage growth, Currency appreciation and inflation that is happening in Russia in past couple of years which is continuing into the future.. I am not saying it will explaing 300% price increase but play a big part in it.
I think everything you type is nationalistically motivated BS backed by flawed sources and irrelevant information so please stop posting in this thread before (as usual) you turn it into one of your racially motivated flame fests.
If Iโm thinking of the correct testbed installation the Nomad was fitted in the nose of the Lincolnโฆ
โฆand the aircraft could be flown with the four other engines shut down! ๐
Thanks, I have read about a Lincoln being modified that way but I wasnt aware of the effects!:eek:
For what little it is worth Wikipedia also mentions that a Shackleton was lent to Napier for testing the Nomad……
Chill dear boy.
In this Internet age people love their little conspiracy theories and no amount of patient explaining will ever dissuade them from swearing that the moon landing was filmed on a Hollywood sound stage, Kennedy was assassinated by a squad of something or other on a grassy knoll and Elvis works in the local chippy.
There’s no point trying to debate, any more than it is worth trying to dissuade the aficionados of the Bermuda Triangle that that too is a load of cobbled up bollox.
Ignore it and let the Internet geeks gather in darkened corners and convince each other they are right. It is easier in the long run, honest.
Moggy
Its all rather sad really. There was recently a BBC series about conspiracies, it went through some of the most famous (the 9/11 one being the last) and systematically debunked every single one of them. What was frightening was the angry reactions of people whos cherished fantasies had been shattered, there was a University department who had studied in depth the 9/11 attack on the Pentagon and had effectively proved beyond doubt that it was hit by a plane………………they recieved bags of hate mail from people with the same absurd beliefs as Phixer accusing them of being in league with the supposed conspirators. The coroner responsible for the Flight 93 bodies was clearly deeply upset and angry about how he had been misqouted by conspiracy theories, he had also been endlessly hassled by people trying to get him to say what they wanted to hear. Unfortunately these insane ideas can and do cause innocent people serious discomfort and upset.
Chill dear boy.
In this Internet age people love their little conspiracy theories and no amount of patient explaining will ever dissuade them from swearing that the moon landing was filmed on a Hollywood sound stage, Kennedy was assassinated by a squad of something or other on a grassy knoll and Elvis works in the local chippy.
There’s no point trying to debate, any more than it is worth trying to dissuade the aficionados of the Bermuda Triangle that that too is a load of cobbled up bollox.
Ignore it and let the Internet geeks gather in darkened corners and convince each other they are right. It is easier in the long run, honest.
Moggy
Its all rather sad really. There was recently a BBC series about conspiracies, it went through some of the most famous (the 9/11 one being the last) and systematically debunked every single one of them. What was frightening was the angry reactions of people whos cherished fantasies had been shattered, there was a University department who had studied in depth the 9/11 attack on the Pentagon and had effectively proved beyond doubt that it was hit by a plane………………they recieved bags of hate mail from people with the same absurd beliefs as Phixer accusing them of being in league with the supposed conspirators. The coroner responsible for the Flight 93 bodies was clearly deeply upset and angry about how he had been misqouted by conspiracy theories, he had also been endlessly hassled by people trying to get him to say what they wanted to hear. Unfortunately these insane ideas can and do cause innocent people serious discomfort and upset.
I found that site as well, however the one I linked in my original post describes in some detail an actual test installation on a Shackleton which does suggest that it did happen, even though it didnt fly?:confused:
Which from what I read somewhere is just what would have happened in real life, I recall reading that Blue Steel armed aircraft never did QRA duties with a fuelled weapon, due to the fact that somebody relised that keeping a nuclear armed missile containing a large amount of HTP was a very dangerous idea that was not worth the risk in normal peace time conditions. Had the ballon gone up with no warning, the aircraft would have launched and the missile was albe to be dropped as a free fall weapon.
That would have to be the least survivable configuration imaginable for an already vulnerable aircraft.
Oops! ๐ฎ
It did remind me of the North Korean Sang-o types though! :diablo:
It certainly does remind me of the various ‘rogue state midgets’ and that was my first (and only line of thought)!
Thanks for the info Tinwing, seems a bit harsh though.;) ๐
Absolutely – but this gives rise to an interesting thought. Wikipedia gives the performance as max 2.3 Mach and max 150 mile range. Back of a fag packet maths gives me an initial TTT (time to target) of 6 mins. Of course, this doesn’t allow for acceleration etc but, even if doubled, makes for scant time for defensive measures.
To me it looks interesting but, as you say, the planners eventually gave up on the Vulcans getting within firing range, even at low level.
The missile wont go anywhere quickly if the launch aircraft gets hit before the release.;)
The problem with Blue Steel was its range, or rather lack off.
Actually, I remember reading somewhere that the maximum number of Kh-101 missiles carried by the Tu-95MS is 8, in other words it can’t carry any internally because they are too large. The Tu-160 with its bigger bays can still carry a full load of 2×6.
Im sure I read somewhere that the Tu-160 could only carry 6 internally, it is probably my mind paying tricks but for some reason I am convince I have seen it somewhere.:confused: