Because other governments do similar things,including your own,I do not have any axes to grind and I am not nationalistic or anti american(you get the good,the bad and the ugly in every country !!!) …politicians from all countries act in similar ways 😉

regards baz

Which was the whole point of the comment. It was in response to a poster claiming that the US does it. You have just demonstrated what happens when you dont bother to read back through a thread.:mad:

I am very sorry if i really upset you but I thought your comment about Saudi was a little naive.

regards baz

How is pointing out a basic fact naive?:rolleyes:

An assessment I’d concur with. Although it must be pointed out that an aircraft-carrier lookalike tourist attraction must actually be made to look like an aircraft-carrier!. Still 2 years is a lot of yard time for completion of the internal spaces and a few coats of red lead.

The components RSM has indicated are all absolutely viable for post-build inclusion. Though it must be said the HVAC (life-support?) runs being left out from the initial build suprises me. Its easier to put in those conduits, along with major cable trays etc, when you are putting the hull together. The thing that might be the give away, if anyone knows it, is the power train i.e gearboxes and shafts.

These have to be very precisely fitted and balanced not just physically within the hull, but, also with the main engines. If the Chinese are intending to use different rated engines, to the original Russian spec, the gearboxes and shafts will need to be matched to the different output and revolutions range. That is a lot of work and at an end of the ship that would not be expected to see such work where it being completed as a casino?.

Who knows. What we can be certain of is that the Varyag was in a bad way when she got to China, at least as bad as Gorshkov and probably worse.

Targeted vs fired. Big difference.

Again, learn to read.

Not in the context of that sentence.

Who’s assuming anything here?

As for Talwar being basically a Krivak III hull… DUH! … incidentally, project 22350 is also basically a Krivak III hull.

Too many condescending tones with you for no good reason….

Nothing condescending at all…..perhaps you have a complex?:confused:

Designing ‘new’ ships on the basis of 30+ year old hulls is ot demonstrative of a healthy shipbuilding and design industry. Especially given the progress made by western shipbuilders.

Well if you feel that strongly about it, and you obviously think I am callous & ignorant because I won’t allow them to chop up my kids why don’t you go a step further and donate one of your good kidneys? You only need one afterall……….. You don’t want to do it? Why not? Personally I find your attitude callous and ignorant for denying someone a life 😡 now who’s the hypocrite?

If somebody requires one of my surplus organs they are welcome to it. So no hypocrosy from me at all.

Surely though, there is some hypocrosy to your desire to preserve the state of a lifeless corpse whilst allowing the living to whither and die?:mad:

Beware of the Neuron, american infidels!! :diablo:

So what are Neurons A2A capabilities?:rolleyes:

As you know – none.

Precisely my point.We are decades away from an F-35 equivilant UCAV.