Re the swastika on the tails of German aircraft, I was at an air display at Aschaffenburg in the early 80s when A Ju-52 (Doug Arnold’s ?) arrived with the “hakenkreutz” on the tail. It was noticeable that a discreet amount of heel-clicking and stiffening of the right arm went on.
As an aside, I understand that ‘Allo ‘Allo is now shown in Germany and incredibly popular to boot – there’s stiff right arms and heel clicking aplenty therein.
If you edited all that out each episode would be about 3 minutes long – all Madame Edith singing and Yvette flashing her lovelies.
Maybe they are relaxing the media rules in certain cases.
I don’t see why this kind of stuff can’t be put on display – lest we forget.
It’s a piece of modern history that’s still very relevant today – if just one person sees it and gets a new perspective on the value of human life and folly of meaningless atrocity then it’s served it’s purpose (as a museum piece) to inform and educate.
I understand the macabre aspect to it too and I’m not sure I would rush to see this exhibit but I cannot understand the mentality of wanting to put this stuff away in a box forever. I doubt doing that will help the families heal their wounds more easily. Maybe it could even be a comforting place to visit to be with their loved ones. Humans are a strange lot – why do relatives always flock to the place where their loved ones perished – sometimes year after year.
Thankfully I’ve never been in a similar position but I suspect I would want the world to see the reality of what went on, hoping it had an effect on people.
There’s plenty of stuff like this about in the public domain – countless holocaust museums, bits of the WTC on the American Chopper Fire bike, a Propeller from the Lusitania quietly corroding away in a corner of the Albert Dock in Liverpool… reminders of a brutal past and pointers for a brighter future…
Oh, and I really like that Lufwaffe fella’s woolly mitts.
I like the depiction of the carrier plane – appears to be a Cessna – perhaps a really, really big Cessna.
Darn, thought it was going to be a Stirling
I took this pic through the bomb-bay window last December. Ignoring the smudges, if I view it from about three feet away, I see a face and everyone else I’ve shown it to sees ‘something’ there (my friends have no interest in aviation and I didn’t tell them what they were supposed to be looking at – just asked what they thought of the photo). Probably just a trick of the light but intriguing – hope he’s enjoying himself whoever he is…
(it’s not a reflection of a face either as I had the camera well up above my head to take the photo and I’m 6′ 4″).
Incidentally, my sister in law had the opportunity to take a look around the C-47 that was/is (?) based at Speke. Without knowing anything about planes in general or this one in particular, immediately on entering the cabin, she burst into tears for absolutely no reason. She seems to be sensitive to this kind of thing as she often sees a phantom little lad in their house.
I wish Aer Lingus would launch LPL-DUB – again.
Until they do I have one choice – Dan Dare, Wing & a prayer, Ryanair
Judging by pic 2 it seems to have stayed more or less upright and on the surface long enough for an orderly evac and for the the rescuers to arrive.
Why was the Chinook particularly disliked – noise, resonance, size or just the way it looked – perhaps dis-belief in it’s ability to get up and stay up?
Bored at work so here goes… you’re probably looking for a technical answer, which this isn’t, but I think it’s worth highlighting that perhaps a warplane is worth more than the sum of it’s capabilities… from an economic, scientific and geo-political point of view…
1. Building/flying/maintaining/upgrading it will keep many people in jobs for decades… these people will go out and spend their money on ebay and drag us out of this recession.
2. Thankfully, the majority of warplanes built are a huge waste of money if viewed purely in terms of how many operational sorties they get to perform. I’m glad the Vulcans, B-52s and Bears never got to fulfil the missions for which they were designed (iron bomb delivery excluded) but I’m glad they were there just in case… the Vulcans and B-52s anyway.
3. The F-22 is hugely expensive but I’m glad the free world is maintaining the resources to design deterrents like this – otherwise those same scientists would probably be designing the spiffy cars that the bad guys would be driving around after they’d walked into our countries.
4. Missions change all the time – if the end of the cold war taught us anything it should be ‘expect the unexpected’
I guess it’s the corny old cliche ‘I’d rather have a superlative Air Supremacy fighter and not need it than not have one and then find out I did need it after all’. Like the UK and fixed wing aircraft carriers…
Whoohoo – can’t wait to jam my legs into one of those for five and a half hours
meanwhile… in sunny Ireland… the TV news here doesn’t find the escalating conflict titilating enough so they decided to spice it up with some X-Files style intrigue last night…
while showing a picture of a USAF C-17 at Tbilisi airport last night they stated ‘Georgian Troops arrive back from Iraq in an unmarked C-130 Hercules’
…doubtless designed to infer some nefarious, tinkering, backdoor shenanigans by the White House. The combatants needn’t worry – the press here is already blaming someone else.
If the soviets operated a Stirling for some time, its not unlikely that they would have produced (or recived along with the Stirling) drawings and other maintenance papers. Perhaps they would even have begun to reverse engineer the aircraft.
If the Soviets had the Stirling how did they get there – ferry flight across occupied Europe or in bits by sea?
A book entitled ‘Dirty Little Secrets of WW II’ points out that there are large numbers of sunken British merchantmen lying at the bottom of the Arctic Ocean that never made it to Murmansk…containing hundreds of tanks, planes and parts thereof…
Many (all?) of these are probably war-graves but Bob Ballard, if you’re reading this, can you take a look?
I will pledge a generous donation to the Stirling fund when I win the Euromillions and if there are very few pre-war Shorts aircraft about we’d better save the postwar ones Skyvan, SD-330, SD-360… real aeroplanes!
That’s good then, it was obviously worth the lives of the one million seven hundred thousand Commonwealth Servicemen and women who died during the Great War wasn’t it?
Regards,
kev35
They didn’t die specifically so people could have a day off but they did die so that future generations would have the freedom to spend time with their families in peace (amongst many other things). I don’t see that an extra bank holiday is an inappropriate way to mark their sacrifice (even if the majority of those on the receiving end of said holiday don’t give it a second thought).
I think and hope that the fallen would be happy enough that they’d ‘won’ their descendents a chance to spend more time together – God knows that time is limited enough in this work/money obssessed society – and if their sacrifice brings a tiny extra bit of quality time into our lives or a gives another good excuse for a veterans get-together why not embrace it rather than poo-pooing the idea?
The two minutes silence is a highly appropriate, moving and sombre ceremony but from reading books, about RAF aircrew for instance, it was clear that they lived their lives to the full in between missions – I’m sure they’d be all in favour of a sortie to Alton Towers!
The A380 is due to do flypasts at Manchester and Liverpool airports after leaving Fairford on Saturday ,then display at the Wirral Show. It will then land at Farnborough in readiness fror next week’s show.
Any idea what time the A380 is pitching up at Liverpool?
Thanks
Seb
Another one to avoid – HMS Belfast – most of their dummies have the same strange, ill-fitting ginger hairpiece and an alarming glare – and there’s a stuffed cat in a miniature hammock.