I’m all for the scanners if they’re safe. I’ve been patted down loads as well and treat it as routine, except for one time…
I was very thoroughly patted down at Schipol once (at the height of post 9/11 dilligence) and the security guard came very close to ‘cupping’ me – that, his very firm grasp and the fact that I am incredibly ticklish nearly made for an embarrassing international incident.
I wondered it it was one of the RN’s Aussie mines made safe team, but it wasn’t – it was one of their equally brave colleagues:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/books/8066050/George-Cross-heroes.html
I bet he didn’t even break a sweat or lose his monacle!
I’m sorry I can’t say how many were killed at BSA but thanks for fascinating contributions and links guys – I’ll be passing these on to my Dad.
He’s made approx 6 Do-17 models in the past two years (he does models in waves and it’s Fw-190s next!) so I’m sure he like to do one or two more Mersey raiders!
My little mystery solved… my Dad’s neighbour was killed the same night as the relatives. A small footnote in history – but how sad….
ROWSON, Civilian, THOMAS HERBERT, Civilian War Dead. 30th August 1940. Age 48. of 1 Woodcock Road, Woolton. Husband of Mary Agnes Rowson. Died at 1 Woodcock Road.
My Dad told me both parents were killed but the daughter survived.
Got this record from this new site:
There must be some good tales of raids on Liverpool, my own Father always thought the Luftwaffe was made up from Liverpool supporters, as they had a couple of goes at Evertons ground !!!.
As Dad lived two streets away from the ground it did get a bit hairy a few times.
Once during the famed May Blitz my Nan thought they would be safer with his Aunty { his Dad was in the RAF in north Africa} she duly dragged him to his very shocked Aunts, she lived next to a gas works !!!, although his aunty never left her house in any of the air raids she happly survived the war.
Was this Garston Gas works? Didn’t someone get the GC for defusing a bomb that hit them?
Cheers
Seb
A book called “The Liverpool Firebobbies” by Frank O’Reilly has a lot of quite detailed information on the type of ordnance and the damage it caused by location in Liverpool during the war. The information is taken from the Fire Brigade Divisional Logs.
Thanks for the replies guys, I’ll try and obtain that book. I have read ‘Liverpool, A city at war’ by Bryan Perrett but that’s more broad brush than exhaustive detail IIRC.
I keep pestering my Dad to write down the family history – he remembers bits and pieces from the war, seeing a Halifax towed out from Rootes onto the airfield, a Blenheim roaring over the bridge at Hunts Cross at low level and he thinks he saw a Condor (Fw-200) on one occasion – I’d love to confirm that sighting!
I’d love to hear any more Liverpool war stories (shame they missed Goodison, eh 😉 )
I have managed to find the details of my mum’s relatives (as below), if I can now find the Rowson’s that may help me tie in whether it was the same raid:
3 WADE , CLAUDE JAMES Civilian * 30/08/1940 46 Civilian War Dead United Kingdom * LIVERPOOL, COUNTY BOROUGH
Name: WADE, CLAUDE JAMES
Initials: C J
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Civilian
Regiment/Service: Civilian War Dead
Age: 46
Date of Death: 30/08/1940
Additional information: of 97 Grant Road, West Derby. Husband of Mary Wade. Died at 97 Grant Road.
Casualty Type: Civilian War Dead
Reporting Authority: LIVERPOOL, COUNTY BOROUGH
11 WADE , MARY Civilian * 30/08/1940 47 Civilian War Dead United Kingdom * LIVERPOOL, COUNTY BOROUGH
Name: WADE, MARY
Initials: M
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Civilian
Regiment/Service: Civilian War Dead
Age: 47
Date of Death: 30/08/1940
Additional information: of 97 Grant Road, West Derby. Wife of Claude James Wade. Died at 97 Grant Road.
Casualty Type: Civilian War Dead
Reporting Authority: LIVERPOOL, COUNTY BOROUGH
If you search by Kampfgeschwader history and eliminate those who flew Ju88 and HE111’s in 1940 – you should be able to get close to the answer.
For example:
KG76 flew Do17s and did Blitz Liverpool in 1941.A list of KG is here
http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gliederungen/Kampfgeschwader/Index.htm
Thanks Brian, I’ll give it a whirl!
Interesting.
My Mother (GRHS) was in her Anderson shelter with my two elder brothers on Manor Way, Woolton that day I would guess.
Moggy
Small world Moggy! Do your family have any memories of the events?
Incidentally, my Uncle states that the stick of bombs that hit Woodrock Road and killed the Rowsons, also hit Old Swan and killed two of my mother’s relatives – not quite sure how he can be so certain – but it’s an old family chestnut!
Vickers VC-10
There was a planned variant with 18 long range AAM under the wings – to stop the Russkis coming over the horizon en-masse.
The Holocaust was a remarkable, appalling, unique event. However the mass execution of prisoners, the use of Concentration Camps with the deaths of thousands has precedent in British Empire.
British concentration camps were not set up to exterminate the Boers – although many died in them it was not a deliberate policy but due to poor hygiene, disease, malnutrition and no doubt some mistreatment as well as poor organisation and even natural causes… exactly what you’d expect to happen if you put 30,000 people in close proximity and primitive conditions.
Not our ‘finest hour’ but I think a clear distinction should be made between British Concentration camps and Nazi ‘Extermination’ camps and that the two should not necessarily be discussed in the same breath lest future generations revise history to the point where England becomes responsible for the Holocaust…. just my two cents….
Cheers
Seb
The Buccaneer flew a combat mission in 1972 launching two aircraft from the Ark Royal (R09) in the Atlantic near Florida to overfly Belize/British Honduras. Bit more than 2000 miles ferry range, the sortie was 2500 miles each way! Only replacement for a Buccaneer is another Buccaneer, with modern avionics!
Bit like the Black Buck mission except without room for any ordnance – not really a combat mission as such but a good gamble made in exceptional circumstances. Just a show of strength to the Guatemalans as to what they could expect when Ark Royal arrived on station.
It certainly seemed to have the desired effect but involved a precarious ballet of dead-reckoning navigation, vital mid-ocean AAR rendevous, very small windows of opportunity and a brush with the Florida Air Defenses (who had not been informed about two ‘Bogies’ taking a short-cut between Florida and Cuba) – not something they’d want to try every day.
Regarding the Falklands – we do have Typhoons out there which will hopefully dissuade Argentina.
Mike
And a large garrison of professional troops (6,000?). I fail to see how the Argentines could hope to go through them and the Tiffies with their current equipment – or have the stomach to try.
As unpleasant as these cuts are (my brother’s job may be affected) could not most tin-pot wannabes be dissuaded by RN submarine launched cruise missiles?
Apparently, Guatemala got cold feet over Belize when the two Buccs went downtown – pretty sure some tomahawk-rattling would have a similar effect. Wouldn’t even need to hit anything major, or anything at all – as in the Falklands, where the Argentines believed their own (mis)intelligence about the Vulcan being able to bomb the Argentine mainland at will, the mere possibility should give them sleepless nights.
Playing with the big boys in the sandpit or elsewhere is obviously another story with much more boots/choppers/jets/tanks/arty on the ground required.
So where next – DPRK, Iran or just a few dashing spooks running round London slotting ‘dirty foreigners’ – ‘Spooks’ is based on real events right?
Was reading Spitfire pilot combat reports from the BoB just the other day and was similarly bemused – especially puzzled that some pilots had reported engaging both Bf-109s and He-113s in the same engagement.
Asked my Dad and he described it as an ‘old chestnut’…
As Mr. McKay says – a dozen or less built and used for propoganda purposes (and point defence of the Heinkel factory according to my Dad).
He also seems to remember that there was an issue with Goering or the powers that be insisting that it be fitted with a different engine (Jumo?) and Mr Heinkel being unable or unwilling to accomodate this request.
Chances of any participating in the BoB – slim. Heat of battle misidentification or did some pilots want to believe that they’d shot down a He-113 – touted by German propoganda as the fighter of it’s day??
Lovely, and long overdue given that LH, AF, SAS, AA et al have had retro birds flying for some time
Athough I’d rather have seen the Negus scheme on something that didn’t originally wear it – B767 or B777.
Try this site…
‘Fly Thomas Cook’ is the airline in the list.
You put in your airline and flight number – it should bring up a seating chart of the actual plane on which you will fly. Make your informed choice and then Thomas Cook it.
Happy hols!
Mean I know, but this made me laugh a lot…