The APG-79 isn’t even here yet.

And can you point me to where it says (or statistics) that the APG-73 is better than the Zhuk-ME?

dont worry man 😛 the russian 5th generation fighter is gonna be done later than the F-22 but who cares? It’s a great strategy (like what the USSR did)

US makes something, the Russians counter it.

When they get word of the F-22 and F-35 they are going to make a machine that’s going to be better than the Raptor and JSF.

It’s not like the US is gonna invade Russia cause now they have 5 F-22s 😛

“Russian 5th gen fighter radar

Debate seems to be raging between the two big Russian fighter radar manufacturers; NIIP and NIIR, the latter of which is more commonly known as Phazotron. For a little background, NIIP makes the N011M passive phased array radar used on the Su-30MKI, while Phazotron makes the Zhuk series of radars (and others, of course).

In the opinion of NIIP, creating an APAR (Active Phased Array Radar- or AESA in US terminology) would be too expensive, and so is pushing a passive phased array for the PAK FA.

In the opinion of the Director of the Tikhomirov Scientific Research Institute of Instrument Building (NIIP), Yuriy Belyy, the construction of an antenna with an active phased array (AFAR) for the fifth generation fighter using the existing technology base is pointless. Belyy believes that a radar with such an antenna will be “very heavy, expensive and have mediocre electrical parameters”. The NIIP was selected in the past year as the lead institute for researching problems of the manufacture of an AFAR.

Source: 24.05.02, Nezavisimoye Voennoye Obozrenie

Now then,

In the opinion of NIIR, creating an APAR is the only way to go; and they’re the ones that can do it.

“Intellect” for Russian Fifth Generation Fighter

In the opinion of the Fazotron-NIIR corporation, its core should become a radar with an active phased array.

Anatoliy Ivanovich Kanashchenkov is the General Director and General Designer of OAO Fazatron-NIIR Corporation. Yuriy Nikolaevich Gus’kov is the Deputy General Director and First Deputy to the General Designer. Aleksandr Nikolaevich Osokin is the Director of the Department of Information Strategies.

The Position

The fifth generation fighter is highly multirole and should have avionics with an extremely high degree of intelligence, which also determines its combat effectiveness.

According to foreign estimates, the cost of the the equipment being installed on the fifth generation fighter s increasing appreciably and makes up more than 40 percent of its full cost (the cost of the fourth generation was only 10 – 15 percent). At the same time, the components of the new combat complex – the airframe, engine, avionics and armaments – should complement each other harmoniously.

The fifth generation fighters avionics should contain a large quantity of piloting, navigation and combat information subsystems which cannot be combined together, that is, equally, and be included in two intelligent systems:

– piloting and navigational, with the airplane’s cockpit instrumentation;

– weapons control and aircraft protection system (SUVO), which is a data reference and combat radioelectronic complex (INFORMATSIONNO-BOEVOY RADIOEHLEKTRONYY KOMPLEKS) (REK), the foundation of which is the on-board radar, which “sees a target” further than all, in which connection in any weather, day and night.

The weapons control and protection system should be a single complex, including the following combat information systems:

– Radar;

– Electrooptical;

– ELINT;

– REhP (electronic countermeasures);

– apparatus for group interaction;

– actuating (servo) weapons control system;

– aircraft armament.

While not underestimating the significance of all the systems included in the SUVO, the special role of the fifth generation fighter’s radar should be noted, inasmuch as the fighter’s increased speeds, of its missiles and of the targets make main variant of its combat longrange missile combat, which only the radar can provide (we spoke in detail about the primary role of the fifth generation fighter’s avionics subsystems in the article, “Radar Creates the Appearance of the Fifth Generation Fighter,” published in the magazines “Military Parade” and “Herald of Aviation and Cosmonautics” in 1999). The requirement for the simultaneous operation of this radar on many targets makes it necessary to use on it an electronically scanning antenna, which is realized in a phased array antenna (FAR). The need for simultaneous operation against aerial and ground (surface) targets in a large sector of view (plus 70 degrees) with the provision of high jamming resistance and reliability demands the use in particular of an active FAR (AFAR), despite the complexity of the resolution of this task and the high cost in comparison with a passive FAR (PFAR).

The dispute which developed in our country: which route to take – the PFAR or the AFAR – has delayed the creation of the radar for the fifth generation fighter in relation to the worldwide process. This dispute was held abroad in the ’90s, and the world chose the AFAR. Therefore, today the same argument is an empty waste of time. Inasmuch as the foreign fifth generation fighter will have an AFAR, then the Russian fighter should have an AFAR too. The only person capable of proposing pushing a PFAR on it is one who is trying to sell of his own “unsold goods.” What sense is there to build a super airplane and equip it with an on-board intellect of the day before yesterday?

Now, possibly, the chief question: to whom to award the work on the development of the fifth generation fighter’s intellect and its avionics systems? There is neither means nor time to organize a competition of technical projects with the assembly and test of experimental examples.

…The first modern Russian radar created in the reform years and produced in series is the Fazotron “Kop’yo” – which provides multifunctional capabilities for aircraft: operation against aerial, ground and surface targets and controls the most modern of precision weapons.

Fazotron has created a unified system of development and assembly of aerial open architecture radars, the basis of which are the common series of its component parts – the blocs and assemblies that allow not having to develop a separate radar for the upgrade of every flying apparatus, but only to adapt it. This will allow the realization of a complex upgrade of the fleet of domestic flying apparatus, increasing their combat effectiveness by 2 – 7 times, bringing, in particular, the fighters to the level of a “four plus” generation.

For the realization of such an upgrade, series production of a series of radars is ready – the ‘Zhuk’, ‘Zhuk-MEh’, ‘Zhuk-MSEh’, ‘Kop’yo-M’, ‘Kop’yo-F’ (“Faraon”), ‘Zhuk-MF’ (‘Sokol’), and the “Arbalet.”

Fazotran has been conducting work for several years already on the production of an active FAR, and taking into account that practically not one development of Fazotron-NIIR has laid on the shelf, on may say with certainty that this one also will not lay there.

For the construction of the fifth generation fighter’s avionics complex a team should be created of tested radar developmental firms. In our view, it could look like this:

– The SUVO, including the radar with AFAR – Fazotron;

– The piloting and navigation complex and cockpit instrumentation – the Ramenskoye TekhnoKompleks Scientific Production Center;

– The integration of all of the airplane’s on-board systems – the State Scientific Research Institute of Aviation Systems (GOSNIIAS).

One must understand that all these operations are no less important than the creation of the newest airframe for the fifth generation fighter – after all, instances are known when the most outstanding airplane “didn’t go” because of such a “trifle” as the absence of a radar!

Source: 05.07.02, Nezavisimoye Voennoye Obozreniye, Anatoliy Kanashchenkov, Yuriy Gus’kov, Aleksandr Osokin

Jane’s Defense Weekly put the N011M radar of the Su-37 No. 712 and the Su-30MKI as technologically equivalent to the N014. Both of these radars were designed by NIIP. NIIP also designed the Zalson radar of the MiG-31. I wonder if NIIR-Phazotron has what it takes to develop an AESA.”

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i bet the pilots are fine with it 😛

This is the RuAF Su-27SM’s cockpit:

http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/attachment.php?attachmentid=54256&stc=1

How does AGM-84 Harpoon compare to the Kh-35?

The Kh-35 has a warhead 2x as small, that’s the only thing that sucks.. but.. any advantages over the Harpoon?

Also, can the Sukhoi family carry the SS-N-27 Klub (w/e the aviation designation is)?

Umm? The Pyotr as of now if probaby about 3x as useful as any Ticonderoga, apart from SAMs, and I wouldn’t trust the PAC-2 over the S-300FM.

The US ships’ anti-ship capabilities are rubbish.

Are the Russians planning to upgrade their Slavas with the S-300FM or not?

And can we expect to see the S-300FM on the Nakhimov/Lazarev when they are taken out of refit?