Did he have a weak arm or what?
Cockpit of the MiG-29 and Su-27 are very similar in design.
May be the Russians are learning better cockipit ergonomics & Aesthetics from the West.
Yeah mang, ze West iz vary gud! :rolleyes:
There’s redundancy in there for obvious reasons… like the airspeed indicator, altitude and attitude indicator, for starters.
any idea of first flight of t-50-3 :confused: do u think it will be shaped more for stealth ?
Yes yes. It will be completely different. Totally invisible (even to the naked eye). They previous versions were just a distraction, if you will.
It will have the RCS of a mosquito. At the worst angle.
How are you guys determining SMT vs non. SMT? The spine fuel tanks?
Could be a MiG-29SM .. less the T (Toplevo = Fuel)
What a total fail. Hah.
How was this thing approved even for taxi testing 😉
do you want to discuss technology of growing mushrooms in mouth?
Not particularly, no. Is that something you hold dear to your heart? 😮
remember, you promised to not enter areas you are not specialized in
keep that rule
Angliskiy ploho ponemaesh?
You did notice the “what if” – not “is” ? :rolleyes:
No offence, but I don’t need expert knowledge or mega-eyeball-radars to be able to tell that the underbody would have a lower RCS if those bumps and bulgers caused by the engine intakes were flattened out and filled in for a uniform, rectangular underside.;)
It may be that the present shape already has low enough RCS to be able to compete with the Raptor or JSF already. But that doesn’t mean there isn’t further room for improvement.
As TR said, what evidence is there that the “bulges” and “bumps” (what bumps?!) are a big issue?
Their entirety might be covered in RAM (which the PAK-FA should be using extensively, given that new, more durable and light RAM materials were developed in Russia).
What if the perfectly flat underside of the F-22 is just a big barn-door reflector of radio energy?
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And as for further improvement – sure.. anything can be improved further. But at what cost?
then, may be, you’d be more modest with statements? and go for less “??!!” and “!!!”
Haha.. seryozno?
That guy asked about nozzles right after it was discussed repeatedly, for an entire page. That requires NO modesty – !?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!? is very appropriate.
may be you will be first? proceed…
Maybe you are confusing me for the above poster? I did not claim to know anything technical about it. Especially regarding RCS.
Hmmm…. Pity.:(
Of course I’m no expert in these matters, but comparing the T-50’s shape with the Raptor and F-35 I feel more could be done in terms of stealth shaping, specifically the engines/nozzles and the underbody.
Wow?!?! Did you really just ask this? Right after the sequence of posts above?
And what do you know about the underbody, really? Tell me all about it. What did your mega-eyeball-radar tell you, halfway across the globe from where the PAK-FA is being flown?
Ok, thanks for summary then. But I.M.H.O, my original question still stands: How will RCS be reduced (bar RAM and inlet blockers)? Sructual changes to the airframe itself, or something more exotic…
And about gathering relyable info on the web, I my self has all but stoped reading russian enthusiastic aricles. Its time they have a colective reallity check. Same with Prez Putin yearly bragging about acquiring 10 000 units of this and 5000 of that within the next three years when ever he attends an arms show.
What are you talking about? There’s enthusiastic BS on all sides of anything. Marble sized ‘effective’ RCS for the F-22 – come on?! :rolleyes:
What RCS reduction do you want on the PAK-FA? Is it even definitively less stealthy than its F-22/F-35 adversaries? Maybe.. maybe not. No one knows. Eyeballing RCS bullcrap from forum clowns who want to make themselves feel bigger than their painfully average existence is just that – bullcrap.
Bottom line is, its going to be more stealthy in its production version. That’s all.
No sarcasm intended here dionis, but just how can you know all that?
If what you say is true (and I have no reason do doubt you) its rather comforting.
Can you elaborate on how they intend to (try and) achieve the RCS reduction? Other than use of RAM of course.
If you pay close attention to the last three threads about the PAK-FA, you will see all of the Russian-based evidence.
Blocker patents have been filed – a whole ton of them by UAC officials. It’s clearly an advanced device.
Regarding the engine, reports from the manufacturer (Saturn) point to creation of stealthy nozzles that are also TVC. Someone might want to fill in here (I do not recall if patents were filed here – though this is likely). And the 3D/2.5D details might help.
It’s not that I know all of that – it has simply been reported a number of times here by people who frequent the Russian forums (myself included).
Front-side and rear-side of RCS reduction measures are a 100% guarantee.
Includes badass blocker, “2.5D” stealthy TVC nozzles.
No further details.