what the? Mach 5 ??

that means they got the P500 (SS-N-12 Sandbox) to more than double its speed? :O

i think u are gettin confused

Mach 5 isn’t that much of a surprise anymore. The AS-4 is mach 4.5 and carries 1100KG of explosives!

The AS-16 is true Mach 5 but is a small missile, though with the penetrator style speed it’s not like it matters :P.

i’m so used to calling radars by their other names…

NIIP Phazotron is the N011M?

So what about the NIIR Radars? Zhuk ME? MFE? MSE? What Numbers designations are given to those? and where do they come from (these # designations)?

If the Russians wanted to, they could actually arm those little Mach 5 AS-16s with 150KT nuclear warheads. That’s sick though. A vaporized carrier… :O

Russians actually could probably deal with carrier groups (there’s like 12 of em anyway) , since like everything in the damn Russian inventory was made to attack these. Oscar IIs, Slavas, Kirovs, Backfires, Flankers, Fencers, more… even those Tarantul IIIs with SS-N-22s are nasty! Now knowing a “normal carrier group” is what, 5-6 ships? The Russians, if strategizing correctly, could just totally overwhelm these. Then the Americans would be screwed as their airpower would be at the bottom of the ocean, and most of their F-15s/F-16s at home would be relatively useless for a while, and the ones in Europe would prove to few in #.

An Oscar II firing it’s salvo of SS-N-19 Shipwreck missiles will result in just that: Shipwrecks.. Instead of making that Borey sub the Russian’s should have made an Oscar III … Topol-Ms are enough to keep anyone away anyway.

In case of normal Russia vs USA war the US would (now, thx to the USSR’s dissapearance) win a war of attrition for the most part.

Russia’s last words would be (before the war starts): “Do and burn to our nukes.” Why do you think Putin is keeping all those SS-18 Satans alive? (Those things are NASTY aren’t they :P)

Therefore no war will happen anyway.

Are the other 2 Kirovs getting put back to active service?

(Ushakov is totally smoked right?)

GarryB, don’t forget that Russia has a huge amount of fairly long range aviation (and Anti-Ship/Anti-Radar weapons) that would back the Russian fleets up, so don’t underestimate their power either. Backfires can really give an enemy fleet a wasting. The AS-4 (Kh-22M) and AS-16 (Kh-15) missiles can easily smash through the US Ships’ own defenses.