Russia is getting betetr with each year, wealthier and more advanced, currently their economy is of the size of France but grows at a higher rate, certainly they will surpass England Germany in a decade and they are going to be able to buy better weaponry in order to recreate their sphere of influence in khazakhastan, Belarus and Ukraine beside India and middle east theya re planning very likely new aircraft to repalce the Su-34 and the most visible evidence is the new stealth bomber they are building
The PAK-DA will replace the Tu-95MS and Tu-22M3 most directly.
Flanker’s frontal RCS is 20 sqm? I hope you got a good source for this…
Probably is if the Flanker banks and gives you a nice look like this:

LOL…
Other than that, I’d bet that on relatively same level flight, loaded, between front and side angles, it wouldn’t be more than 5 – 7m2 loaded.
Kh-101
Looks like it’s being spread around and/or tested more.

Nope. Pogosyan only said something about comparable RCS. Frontal aspect, I’d assume because the bird does not look to be built with overall stealth in mind. Not that I think overall stealth is good for anything except throwing money out of the window, especially if you must count with a Russian and not US budget.
So far it looks that Russians made a right thing and only built a fighter stealthy and sophisticated enough to serve as a potential deterrence, not trying to beat the Raptor at all cost.. If they handle the afordability part sensibly enough, then that would be as good at it gets for them, much better than some hypothetical Raptor beater with $200mil price tag, serving in two squadrons.
He never said anything about RCS. He said that the PAK-FA will be a match for the F-22. That is all. Make of it what you want.
In PAK-FA they’ve said on vairous occasions (in effect) that they weren’t trying to equal the F-22. Whether that’s true or they were trying to save face is anybody’s guess.
They were trying to match it. That’s right out of Pogosyan’s mouth @ Farnborough. That’s about as official as it gets. 😎
A lot of you guys keep demonstrating your total ignorance of stealth by stating that PAK-FA is stealthier than F-35. I’ll be the first to admit, I DON’T KNOW. As for the rest of you, I’ll repeat, YOU CANNOT QUANTIFY THE STEALTHINESS OF A PLANE BY LOOKING AT IT !!!
You don’t say!? 😀
You honestly believe they’re remotely similar in the RCS dept?
Nope, the T-50 is better from front, side – and in the future, potentially rear angle.
Everywhere else the T-50 is far superior. Except for fancy toys that are good for bombing 3rd world countries with no real fighting capabilities.
OK, here goes. Basically this is a case of side mirrors’ ‘Objects may be closer than they appear’. I don’t believe the photo’s a fake.
Well clearly it’s not the 117 comp.-face due to dimensions, alignment, that long spinner etc. The key is how far into the inlet the device is located, so here’s my take.
What everybody missed thus far is that the front section of the intake has a pronounced ‘droop’ in it (see pics below), reminiscent of the YF-23’s droop. This ‘droop’ will appear as a ‘trough’ in the now infamous ‘PAK-FA in the night’ pic- it will give an illusory sense of distance.
The trough is why you can’t see the air-bleed louvres (actually you can just make out the last line)- which means that device is far nearer to the intake entrance than previously thought- actually in-line with that hole/bulge speculated wheel bay placement- i.e. before the MLG structure, just over 2 metres from the intake’s lower lip.
This puts it ~2.5m infront of the real comp.face- incidentally the same distance djcross stated would be required for the S-duct (but remember, this is not a full-on S-duct).
I now believe that device is some sort of combined air-flow management/FOD screen. Your thoughts?
I couldn’t follow what you were trying to say 😮
IN Fulcrums have Topsight-E which is a full HMD of French origin and in no way inferior to JHMCS. The AIM-9X is superior thanks to its excellent imaging seeker (virtually decoy-proof, fighters don’t have DIRCM), but the R-73 airframe is still very competitive and the seeker is by no means a slouch. It’s the equivalent of having a Python IV shot at you which is plenty lethal enough 😉
After the R-73M there’s the RVV-MD with a completely new seeker.
I believe there’s yet another weapon of the same class due for the PAK-FA too.
And you’re missing the point still. The way LPI works is by not looking like a radar, to a RWR. Are you suggesting that the simple solution is to just look for everything that doesn’t look like a radar? Modern RWR/ECM systems have digital threat libraries that they compare incoming signals with. They also filter out signals that don’t appear to be threats/background noise, etc… to cut down on false alarms. LPI works by using very short bursts, with discreet beams, using random and very rapidly changing freqs/waveforms, etc…, so it’s not a simple task of merely raising the sensitivity. That’s not to say it’s impossible to detect, but it’s by no means guaranteed to be something that can be taken for granted.
So what does it look like? Gamma rays? Microwaves? X-rays?
LOL…
They are beginning to acquire it soon. That’s all that says.
This puts the Russians 2 – 4 years behind, which is meaningless in the grand scheme of things.
So is there a production representative model yet?
Yes, the Zhuk-AE-35 – I do not recall if there is any official documentation available. I may have seen it somewhere here – perhaps posted by Austin or Otaku. I could be wrong and when I have the time I’ll try to look for it.
Source?
Any and all comments regarding AESA radars from Russian engineers.
Well, once the capabilities are revealed, we can have a more meaningful discussion.
Most Russian range specs that I’ve seen are vs. a 3m^2 target.
Yes, and the APG-79 would realistically be in that “class.”
It would depend on the FOV that it’s capable of scanning(I don’t suppose you have the elevation and azimuth limits?), and the altitude of the SH(which presumably for A2A missions would be at a high altitude).
Podded is obviously inferior for A2A purposes. Especially for anything realistic (NOT HEAD ON to HEAD ON combat).
No, RVV-SD (probably a.k.a Izdeliye 170-1) is a minimal development of the current missile, and is outclassed by the AIM-120C-7. Russia not going to match the AIM-120C-7 until it fields the Izdeliye 180.
Where’d you get this idea? The Izdeliye-180 is going to be a ramjet AIM-120D / Meteor class weapon. It’s fully intended to arm the long-range capable Su-35S and T-50.
The AIM-120C7 is a roughly 120KM range weapon if it has a “slight” range increase from the C5 models. RVV-SD ballpark, as I said before.
The -D model is what is currently being fielded, so I’m not sure what’s irrelevant about it.
As for the Zhuk radar, do you have another link other than the one that was provided? What size target does it have a 200km detection range? Can it operate in A2A and A2G modes simultaneously? Does it have EA capabilities? Does it have LPI modes?
Do you have some info about the ATFLIR being garbage, or is that just your “professional” opinion about it?
The -D model passed its 7th test 1 year ago. Fielded? Are you insane?
The Zhuk-AE shown on that brochure/stand is the one with less than 1000 T/R modules. It’s a prototype / proof-of-concept piece
I do not recall any mention of modes for the unit yet.
EA capabilities are standard.
There has been no mention of LPI in anything I have read, but then again, the unit’s capabilities have not been revealed as of yet.
200KM detection range vs 1 – 3m2 I believe. I’ll look it up and let you know.
ATFLIR is my professional opinion, of course. :rolleyes: It’s mounted under the plane, how effective for A2A do you think it is LOL?
You need to do some more reading about both LPI techniques, and how RWRs work, if you think “radio waves are radio waves.” You also need to read up on what it is that filters actually do(i.e. look for things that don’t look like background RF, so that you’re not getting false alarms, and look for recognizable PRF waveforms, etc…). That’s the whole idea behind LPI- to look like background RF to an RWR. Low power is but one piece of the pie. Unrecognizable PRF waveforms, rapidly shifting frequencies(>1000 per second), are some of the other factors. It’s not just a matter of detecting the presence of RF energy.
I’ll say it again. Radio waves are radio waves. There’s little more to it.
They are directional, and an RWR with powerful enough processing, especially one that knows the basic actions of LPI, would in all likelihood be able to pick up the LPI signal given enough time.
Like I said, the SH has ATFLIR(which serves as an IRST for A2A or A2G). The R-74 may have a longer range than the -9X, but the -120C7/D have longer ranges than R VV AE/ RVV SD(respectively), which the Mig would have to survive before getting into WVR.
ATFLIR is garbage compared to the IRST on the nose for A2A purposes. The limited FOV itself just sinks that entire proposition.
The AIM-120C7 is right in the RVV-SD ballpark.
The AIM-120D isn’t is about as operational as the 180KM Russian missile. So that’s irrelevant.
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Also, the Zhuk-AE-35 will have a tracking ability of 60 targets with a range of 200KM, well within APG-79 “grade” capability.