There was an article that mentioned the radar cross sections of the F-22/F-35 to be:

F-22: -40 dBsm

F-35: -30 dBsm

Can anyone convert these into RCS in m2?

I’m traveling and my fancy calculator is in my desk back home 🙁

Or just reasonable opinion that you don’t like? Listen, when people point out the promised first fly dates that have failed to arrive many time before its not some Yankee ploy to upset you but it is simply pointing out facts. Facts that some people need to deal with and stop crying foul that its all wrong and everything is and always has been perfect with the development of this fighter.

Where are these “promised fly dates” you keep speaking about?

Yes several year long delays already after dates were promised. Can you not see why many are not convinced there will not be another delay. It dosn’t mean squat what Suckhoi say either unfortunatly as we have had far more senior sources then them say it will be ready to fly in 2007 and 2008 only to be proven wrong. Don’t whine at us when people laugh at you when the first flight is delayed is the last thing I will say on the matter.

Sukhoi is the “most senior” source for when the jet will fly.

With that being said, what dates were promised before? None. Just years they thought it would be ready. Just this week, we got ACTUAL dates.

Its not outdated news but a factually correct historical record of the delays that foolish people such as yourself seem unable to acknowledge. I’m sure with a bit of searching I could find equally damning evidence to suggest all is not well with this project only for you to disregard it because it does not fit your thinking.
http://en.rian.ru/russia/20070522/65892313.html
there you go, one where he claimed a 2008 flight which is yet another factually and historical record of delay.

This is crap once again. It’s news that’s over a year old. They have been saying a long time the likely flight was sometime in 2009. Now they have even given us an exact date.

I take it you’d have liked them to inform everyone of the delay before it happened?
Delays are no evidence for claiming that the PAK FA is a spin project and all manufacturer claims are lies. Delays happen to nearly every aircraft project on the planet. Do the F-35’s electrical problems mean that LM is untrustworthy? Do the Tejas’ engine troubles show that HAL is a bunch of spindoctors? Hardly. So why should a report to the media made on information that to the best of everyone’s knowledge was accurate at the time which was later proven incorrect by something unforseen somehow make all the rest of Sukhoi’s claims bunk?

You know, everything Russian is crap and second rate. Everything American is prime. :rolleyes:

But accurate though.

Not at all.

Pure anti Russian bullsh1t.

A common communication system and data exchange will be a great step. With computer technology being highly accessible and cheaper than before, I wouldn’t be surprised if the Russians are implementing a net centric warfare system already or planning on it.

So… what would the PAK FA do? Drop sonobouys and torps in the water like patrol planes? :confused::eek:

Stealthy, fast, and dominant in A2A – seems like a solid solution with the kick of having a massive suite of A2G weapons.

What is the surprise of being able to deal with underwater targets?

Su-34 anyone? Or Su-32FN as it was marketed.

Maybe they are going to have an onboard SeaDragon avionics suite on the PAK-FA, which would make it a unique design by all means.