dionisIf the Indians did not not care about AESA why would they have specified it for the MMRCA requirement?:rolleyes:
Zhuk-AE is still in prototype form, unless you can provide a source to the contrary?:rolleyes:
Please stop making stupid comments here.:rolleyes:
No, you provide a source saying it’s in prototype form. :rolleyes:
dionisI guess we can agree that almost everyone has been procuring ships at a faster rate than Russian Navy in recent years. 😉 If your economy is broke and you hardly find funds to keep the old steel in shape, large orders shall not be expected..
Partly true.
With the new re-armament bill of $250bn passed in mid 2007, about $45 will go to the Navy..
In two years time, I can guarantee you this “the Russian Navy is not building anything” BS will stop on this forum.
Current plan seems to be building new SSBNs, SSNs, and the 2 types of Frigates, both seemingly armed with the Yakhont. I guess modernization of the large, older capital ships seems to be in order as well? :confused:
dionisThat’s definitely a jet.
You can see the wings / cockpit. Here’s a outlined / re-contrasted image.
dionisi dunno, sometimes you just gotta not give a hoot about other people, i don’t care what happens to them over there as long as it dosn’t affect me, and i’m sure if they were honest many others would feel the same.
As for the SU-30 attacking convoys or tanks etc, has it got a targeting pod? i Know its perfectly do-able withoout a TP but if the pilots wanna stay safe, avoid trash fire and MANPADS then they are going to need PGM’s and a decent TP, otherwise there asking to get shot down on CAS or SAD missions.
I’m quite sure Venezuala’s Flankers have SAPSAN targetting pods.
dionisNot you best day, isn’t it? Here slowly again to stay polite.
I wrote about the time-scale up to 1990/91.
Till 1990 none had the idea, that Saddam will not pay his debts?
There was a reason for Saddam for going into Kuwait, wasn’t it?
Any idea, to whom most debts were owed, despite the billions spent in support from other countries around the Gulf already??????
To keep your weaponary going, you are in need of hard cash or something worth that.
When I remember well, Saddam gave Russian and French companies exploration rights for oil-fields inside Iraq down to the Kuwait border, which did offer high profits for the future. Contrary to WP-countries the Iraq did pay in hard cash.
If that is not enough, the former SU saw the Iraq as a strategic corner-stone in that region.
Typical mistake of beginners. They does look into history from the hindsight.
This is an interesting crackpot theory.
I can’t say it has anything to do with Iraqis having real Soviet tanks though . . .
dionisright, because Zhuk-AE is already developed and tested, lol.
you are comparing a first generation AESA project that is no where near proven to a second generation AESA project that is been mass equipped.
Why don’t you go ask the Algerians how much they love those Mig-29s.
Proven to have software problems? :rolleyes: What’s the fetish here with AESA, some people would even argue a PESA with higher range would be more effective.
With such long service lifes of modern aircraft. You never know what opponent you may have to fight in 10, 15, or 20 years down the road. Regardless, India’s current threat is Flankers, Vipers, and J-10’s………Which, the Mig-29K would be hard pressed to beat! As a matter of fact with the exception of the recent J-10. I don’t believe a Mig-29 has every shot down a Flanker or Viper. Yet, both have shot down Mig-29’s………….:eek:
Except that none of those was a MiG-29 with a top end radar and AAMs.
dionisThe Super Hornet was not an option for India because at the time of the planning for the next Indian carrier a catapult equipped ship was not available to India and Indian/US relations were highly unlikely to result in Super Hornets being procured by India. The reason the Mig-29K does not have an AESA is because on was not available at the time. The Zhuk-AE currently only exists in prototype form whilst the first production Mig-29K’s have already been delivered with the fully available Zhuk-M.
Now it is getting somewhat tiresome having to go round this forum correcting all your childish fan boy mistakes. You quite clearly know absolutely nothing so please stop posting or get an education.
What is this rubbish about the Zhuk AE only in prototype form from you fanboylaurence? And in either case, clearly the Indians don’t care about the AESA. They are going to be flying MiGs, not Subpar Hornets.
dionisYou hit the point. The Iraqis did not use downgraded variants. I
What rubbish is this?
They used Chinese made Type 69s for crying out loud, not even Soviet downgrades mostly.
The numbers for the T-80U and T-72B models are quite high (most of the arsenal), if you have a specific source to say otherwise please link.
dionisAt least a more realistic view. The basic T-72B or basic T-80U were the Russian state of art and several subvariants of that were build, each one differing a capabilities too. It took several years to change the inventory of tank-regiments, even in the frontline GDR. Similar thing with Leo2 and M1 in the West. There was a wide range of MBTs on both sides at the same time, which did differ considerably in capabilities. By the way similar thing in 1991, when both sides did field a wide range of MBTs. To claim, it was a fight between top-end examples on one side against “monkey-ones” on the other side is wrong. The Russians and the Americans draw their conclusions from that. The American did nothing develop something behind the M1, when the Russians did look into the T-90. At least someone saw the need for something better!
In the West the number of MBTs was reduced considerably in most armies.
I still disagree.
The T-90 is basically a T-72BM, which is an improved version of the Soviet T-72B model that as I mentioned was the standard for the late 1980s. These upgrade procedures may have been done due to the fact that the T-72M (downgraded) model did perform badly against the M1, but also as a general upgrade procedure for the model.
To claim that the Iraqis did NOT use downgraded models, ammunition & missile armament, and had the same training and support / recon units that the US forces did is ignorance and bias of immense proportions.
dionisWhatever they may or may not have it still takes a lot of money, work, and experience to get there.
And quite interestingly, the Soviet / Russian government / agencies are easily the best at it.
dionisWho is to say that Russia has accurate intelligence or the funds to match Lockheed Martins F-22 and/or F-35! :rolleyes:
They are, considering I bet you they know more about the jets than you and me and this entire forum combined.
I bet they have engineers who can approximate the RCS, range, etc of the aircraft at an extremely high level.
dionisThe frontline troops of the SU in the GDR of 1990 did field T-72s built in the 70s up to examples built in the 80s. Differing from regiment to regiment. Similar thing with MiGs and Sukhois. So the Russians had to fight with their “monkey-assets” themselves in a war. Despite top priorty, that troops facing the NATO had an intresting collection of weaponary to stay polite. The GDR soldiers did realise for some time already, that the soldiers of the ‘Big Brother’ are not trained to “top” standard always to stay polite.
So we had to differ about face claiming and reality, but I am shure you will ignore that details for obvious reasons.
This is partly true at best.
The Russians didn’t field any “monkey model” tanks that’s for sure, but various domestic types. If anything, a closer comparison to the M1A1 would be a T-72B or T-80U model which were the Soviet norm in the late 1980s.
Considering the Iraqi crews clearly couldn’t shoot for sh-t, one also has to question what kind of AP around they were using . . .
Not to mention the lack of missiles like the AT-11 which would prove quite useful in any real engagement.
dionisTime will tell just how advanced the Russian jet is. I’m sure the Russian intelligence and aircraft industry realize they need to essentially offer something better than not only the F-35, but also the F-22. Given the old Soviet / Russian history of doing it later, and usually better, I don’t see why the PAK FA won’t be the most capable aircraft when it is released.
Also, the obsession with stealth in general is pretty lame. Even if any future aircraft is not as low RCS as the F-22, there are plenty of things that can be used to counter the a stealthy aircraft, from ECM to better radars and RWR systems to optical/thermal means of targeting.
I really can’t imagine the amount of bull**** that is going to fly around here when the first peak of the PAK FA surfaces.
dionis“If the Iraqis had somehow been able to retain air control over their own forces we would have seen smoking columns of Abrams and Bradleys.”
Wow, you really believe that? Gerry , the iraqi armour was tottaly outclassed, your failing into 1Mans trap of creating fantasy situations where the iraqis would have one had it been for what x-y-z. You can keep peddling these lines or you can simply accept that history showed just how capable the Russian armour was.
You still fail to see my dear Jan James that they were not Soviet tanks. They were Chinese tanks. Do you even know the difference?
Do you also know the difference between a Soviet tank and an exported Soviet model with outside modification?
It’s like putting a T-80U with full ATGM capability against an M-60 base model.
dionisYes, you have successfully pointedout what we all knew already, that the Zhuk-AE is in offer with the Mig-35. However you claimed that it was going to be fitted to the Mig-29K so either provide a source or stop posting fan boy.
The Subpar Hornet lost anyway. So what does it matter fanboylaurence?
And if the Hornet’s supposed “great” AESA would have made it India’s choice of aircraft to buy simply because the Indians wanted AESA radar, the Russians would have installed the AESA Zhuk on the MiG-29K. Since I’ve repeated myself at least 3 times now, I don’t want to have to repeat myself. So please STFU already and leave the thread.
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