dionisSo yet again, where are your sources. You are the one claiming that the Mig-29K is going to get the Zhuk-AE and yet you are unable to provide a single source. Therfore it is your fan boy argument that is currently laying in tatters.:mad:
It is your BRAIN NOT THINKING that’s the problem, actually.
If the Indians thought they needed AESA so badly, and wanted planes on their carrier with it, they would ask for it SINCE THE RUSSIANS WANTS TO SELL THEM THE MIG-35 WITH IT EQUIPPED – HENCE THE AESA TECH IS FOR SALE IF THEY INDIANS WANT IT. :diablo:
dionisSo link to actual sources then. Sorry fan boy but you have not provided any evidence for your latest fantasy.:rolleyes:
You are lost aren’t you? LOL!! 😀
Good reply when your pointless argument got hosed. . .
dionismore excuses it would seem, they were still a Russian design and highly representative of Russian tanks, to try and say other wise is rather nieve to say the least.
They were not at all representative of Russian tanks. In a very very small way, maybe. They were also operating mostly Type 69s made in China. Or T-72M models that were clear downgrades, which is what made them subpar.
dionisbut all of your so called ‘facts’ were irrelavent to what i said, which was all the bleating about konkat and other fantasy sytems won’t change the fact the Iraqi armour got destroyed.
Iraqi T-72s and other equipment were sub par, with sub par trained crews and terrible organization in terms of both communication and recon. There is nothing more to talk about.
dionisIgnoring all your childish insults you have still not provided anything to say that the Mig-29K will get the Zhuk-AE. no one is disputing that it will be offered with the Mig-35 bu there is nothing to say that the Mi-29K will get it. And you are still using wikipedia as a source.:rolleyes:
You’ve got to be the thickest, most annoyingly ignorant person on this entire forum. Wikipedia.. I’m using it to reference further sources. Go cry everyone a river, no one cares.
What is your point about the Subpar Hornet? That some of them have AESA? Who cares?
It’s about what India is going to buy. And if AESA radars make the difference between what gets bought, then MiG is going to install AESA radars on the jets. Rocket science concept here I guess.
dionisIt’d be nice if we could be sure it’ll happen, but as always with Russia (well, the defence procurement of all nations, it seems, but bigtime in Russia) we’ve got no way of knowing whether it’ll actually occur, or only a fraction of that. Previous State Arms Programs have been called “failures” by the (Russian) press, after all, the potential remains for this one to fail too.
What I would prefer is an announcement about what has happened in the past few years, rather than what will (in reality, might) happen in the next few years.
Take for example the “Rogatka” upgrade for Russian Army T-80Bs and T-72Bs – IIRC, last year they were saying something like 150 tanks would be modernized in 2007 – AFAIK, that has not even begun.
They might have more success if they opened up the Russia Stabilization Fund (ie. the vast-majority-of-oil-profits fund) to the Defence Ministry and got into rearmament big time- but then, that’d kind of defeat the purpose of the fund.
I think the difference is that the funds have already been allocated versus they would be allocated. Hard to say how the money goes around though.
I’m also under the impression that news about upgrades comes out the MOST about strategic weapons / forces (and usually, the big ones), followed by the Air Force, Navy and then Army. So I think it’s hard to say exactly what kind of upgrades the T-72/80/90 models have been getting.
dionisGiven the Su-35 is so substantially different from a “normal” Su-27S, I can’t imagine they could retrofit an Su-27 to that standard and have it be an “Su-27SM2” in any meaningful sense of the designation.
The inability for the RuAF to follow through with its plans is quite frustrating. People have been talking about the RuAF upgrading a portion of its MiG-29 fleet for over a decade, and nothing’s happened, even though the upgrade itself has been pretty much set for years (with some small changes, like the N019 radar upgrade being replaced with a Zhuk-M in the most recent news) – meanwhile, you’ve got regiments receiving Su-27SMs pretty regularly and in substantial numbers (for the RuAF, that is), and that upgrade’s only been around since, what, 2002, 2003?
It’s the same story with the Mi-24PN, somewhat – the first aircraft were delivered in 2003, and a handful more after that, and I read in Jan 08 AFM that funding had been diverted from the Mi-24PN program to the Mi-28N, so the upgrade wasn’t proceeding very fast (if at all). I suppose that’s a decision I can understand (out with the old, in with the new) but the Mi-24 force needs some night capability in the meantime.
All this of course I’m saying in the context of reports of Russia ordering Su-27SM2s – I wouldn’t be surprised if nothing happens in this regard. The Su-34 seems to be the only aircraft getting any “love” these days.
I’m sure MiG would appreciate some MiG-35 orders, given the low chance it has in the Indian comp.
“According to the 2007-2015 State Armaments Program, the Russian Air Force is supposed to receive 116 new and 408 upgraded aircraft for forward-deployed units, and 156 new and 372 modernized helicopters in the next eight years.”
372 modernized choppers should mean quite a few Mi-24s get upgraded to go along with the Mi-28Ns that are being made.
I came across some link that Kamov would produce the Ka-50 serially, any confirmation of this?
116 new aircraft should include Tu-160, Su-34/35 aircraft.. and the PAK FA which should start serial production at the end of the “program” ?
408 upgraded aircraft should include.. lots of Su-27s and Su-24s, Su-25SM/T models? MiG-31 upgrades? MiG-29 upgrades?
Probably quite a few upgraded Bombers as well.
dionis1) You just used wikipedia as a source so instantaneously you have made sure that no one is going to take you seriously.
2) Thats about the Mig-35 which as you should be well aware is not the Mig-29K.
Just another one of your fan boy wet dreams.:rolleyes:
Like the ones you get when you hear the star splattered banner and watch US army commercials on TV?
Leading the fan boys of the US of A, fanboylaurence, as usual, thinks that no source anyone provides is good. Since he doesn’t read, however, he missed the point, which was, to point out OTHER sources through Wikipedia. Having an IQ of roughly 60, you missed it, along with a plethora of sources which described the Russian intentions. You failed. 😀 😀 😀
Since you are a total failure, here’s specifically what I was pointing you to, compiled up:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_MRCA_Competition
Source for more data below. DUH. :rolleyes:
dionisProvide a single source that says that the Mig-29K is going to get the Zhuk-AE anytime soon. You have a real problem with sources.:rolleyes:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MiG-35
Scroll down to the India related section for more info.
Use a little of your (non-existent) logic and consider they might just offer it on the MiG-29K or perhaps later as an upgrade.
dionisVery impressive aircraft indeed…there are currently two aircraft in the Russian Air Force inventory, they have recently been delivered and are undergoing testing.
http://en.rian.ru/russia/20070306/61627961.html
3 in service now for sure . . .
Maybe more with 5 incoming this year, and 70 by 2015
Seems as though quite a lot of Fencers are being upgrades / have been upgraded as well.
The Su-27SM program seems to be going really well also, but I guess the air force has almost totally dropped the desire for 150 MiG-29SMTs?
dionisObviously there is the Su-34 as well and now they are restarting Tu-160 production they might be able to squeeze one of them out.
“Army General Vladimir Mikhailov said in January 2007 that every three years the VVS would receive two new Tu-160s,”
Bit of a weird schedule I must say.
dionisYou really dolive in an uninformed fantasy land. SMT-2’s have the Zhuk-M as does the Mig-29K and the Mig-29M2 before it got turned into the Mig-35 technology demonstrator.
Unless of course you have a source for the Mig-29K having an AESA?:rolleyes:
Do you have the final details of the Mig-29K sold to India?
Considering the Russians flew a MiG-35 to AeroIndia 2007, it’s clearly their intent to sell it to the Indians. This means they can just as easily offer them the Zhuk AE radar instead of the ME variant.
Not to mention, even if the F-18E were to have the (potentially faulty) APG-79, the MiG does have, like star49 mentioned, various ECM/jamming defense measures.
Simply assuming by anyone here that the F-18E would have better electronics / radar than an upgraded MiG is just biased BS.
dionisThat is certainly no fantasy land, the Super Hornet would toast anything short of a Mig-35. The Mig-35 is a different matter but if you want to believe that the Mig-29K is as good as a AESA equipped low RCS super hornet feel free.:rolleyes:
That post shows once again that you know nothing about Russian weapons, if you did you would know that the Mig-29K is actually a better aircraft than the SMT and is roughly comparable to the Mig-29M2…….they both use the same radar, or at least they did until the M2 got the Zhuk-A.:rolleyes:
There are no official radars assigned to any such jet specifically, and would differ from every source and for every buyer.
LOW RCS HORNET? Yeah, right. At this rate, I could call the Mig-29K “low RCS” as well due to the new coating on the jet.
Considering that the Mig-29K has a better TWR, and better armament, the F-18E is a joke in comparison to it. In a dogfight anyone would put their money on a MiG-29K, and depending on the radar used on the MiG would determine the BVR outcome.
The APG-79 was faulty, and if they’ve fixed that finally then good for them.
APG-73 vs Zhuk ME and APG-79 vs Zhuk-AE seem pretty fair to me.
dionisYeah carry on living in your fantasy land, but like I said take your racist BS and stop posting here.:mad:
As opposed to your fantasy land F-18E/F models that can outdo a MiG-29K upgraded to a maximum SMT or M2 level? Or even “MiG-35” level if you want to go that far.
dionisIt shows that you are wrong and that Ivanov’s statement is rather meaningless, maybe he was referring to 1918?:rolleyes:
Oh yeah I just checked 1986 for nuclear powered submarines, at least 4 were laid down, probably more not including ships we dont have date for and that is without mentioning surface ships or SSK’s.:rolleyes: We have more nuclear powered submarines being laid down per annum in the 1980s by the Soviet Union than have been laid down in the last decade by Russia and yet you still persist with this nonsense.
This is all based on information that has been released.
What information do you have for 2007 released by Russian military sources?
The re-armament plan was approved in mid 2007, therefore this statement refers to that period in time. Care to enlighten us with your secretive information for what the Russian navy ordered in the last 6 months of 2007? Let me guess, you have nothing, and will continue to babble about what little we do know. I can guarantee you Ivanov’s words mean more than your elementary analysis.
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