Why do you keep asking about US AShM’s?

Kh-15 is a potent weapon, but one that makes its large and valuable launch platform vulnerable and whos effectiveness is likely being rapidly eroded by ship based AD systems intended to take out high diving missiles. You are looking for a magic bullet where there is not one.

Well.. because the US can’t even make proper supersonic antiship missiles? Maybe? :rolleyes:

Like the Kh-22, the Kh-15 can and might be upgraded to overcome systems that are made to counter it. Un-f’ing-believable right?

Quoted ranges are 150, 250, even 300 KM. Info about this missile is so limited it’s rather strange. That’s plenty of room to launch missiles, assuming they don’t want to use the Kh-22 or potentially the seemingly secretive Kh-32.

1Man said ‘everything I’ve researched ahs show the U.S. has used “media-trickery” to make it look special, but it ain’t, it will lose badly very fast when fighting a real opponent.’

Wow just wow, yep media trickery simple as that eh, i suggest you ask former members of Saddams old military about how the US used ‘trickery’ ,infact all those thousands of fighting vehicals be it tanks, APC’s trucks arty peices destroyed were all trickery, the highway of death – trickery all trickery. How the US waltzed up into the capitol of Iraq in two weeks: trickery again they were never there it was all an illusion. Seriously 1man even baghdad bob wouldnt be as simple as to believe it was all trickery. I really am stunned trying to get my head rounnd your trickery statement. I suggest you research a little more….

The Highway of “death” – LOL!

Musta been lots of T-90s and Mi-28s with Vikhrs there fighting the US off there right? With great support units, etc.

No, I think more like downgraded old Soviet equipment and badly trained enemy soldiers.

Not true. They claim the hole will be 20m across and 12 metres deep.
Can’t remember which weapon it was but they had one large supersonic sea skimming anti ship missile (I think it was GRANIT) that actually hit the water a few metres short of the target and actually blew a hole under the waterline…

Which missile is this? The SS-N-12 variants or Granit?

The damage size I provided was what I saw for the Kh-22 somewhere.

How would they know where to shoot them?

Kamovs and Bears. Active radar guidance. Kind of like the US would firing its weapons. Russia is on Earth, you know?

Can you provide a reliable link that actually says that it has been bought by Russia?

Who said Russia bought it? :confused:

Small scale excercise’s dont sound too impresive at all to myself and i certainly wouldn’t want to be practising/rehearsing an attack against a CSG using airfix models (just kidding there).

After thinking about this subject some more another thing i’m curious about is this: Threat library’s, electronic jamming assets, recon assets, airbase personel and infustructure and thier associated support structure. I say this as i figure its all well and good having fancy assets to fire deadly missiles but as i understand it warfare is a team effort and requires many more things then just the shooting platform. The CSG would need to be located and tracked precisly for a fair few hours in utter secrecy without giving away the game to even think about sending a squadron or two of Backfires at it, and then i have to really wonder what shape the crews of said Backfire bombers might be in if they rarly get to fly thier jets let alone getting the weapons off the rails/out the bay doors whatever. Do we even know if theres enough crews available these days for any sort of large scale shooting match?

Then from there we come to the maintainers, weapon loaders/handlers etc and all the associated ground equipment involved being first rate and reliable. In theory its all well and good having 60 bombers or however many but if you cant get crews to fly them who are proficent and for example you don’t have the working equipment to load or fuel such bombers then your pretty much doomed from the word go.

I would like to hear what people think on this and i know after reading this board for god knows how many years now theres alot of you on here that visit Russia and study its military so some of you must have a fair idea.

You gotta wake up. In the past few years, the flight times for the Russian bomber forces have skyrocketed.

As I mentioned, young pilots were completing tasks with basically 100% efficiency. Hope you can understand Russian.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxky4ku__K0

I’m sure that Russia is more than capable of redeeming and repainting this rather decrepit looking Soviet era hulk, but would it be worth the expense?

You really have to ponder if this ship is any better condition than the ex-Gorshkov, or even the ex-Varyag? Was the ship guarded and dehumidified all these years, or was it stripped by thieves and left to rust?

The hull doesn’t look badly damaged from what we can see, and it’s cheaper than building a whole new cruiser.

I guess it’ll depend on how much of that growing budget the Navy will get?