dionisNeither MiG-31M nor MiG-35 are operational :rolleyes:
The Mig-31M is well operational, with many MiG-31B aircraft upgraded to that standard. Unless sources online confuse the MiG-31BS / M / BM.
The BM should be in extremely limited service if any, but the “M” variant is only a small upgrade of the B/BS standard.
dionisDude criticising typos is just desperate.:rolleyes:
And I will continue to ignore your ridiculous AShM Kh-101 concept until you can prove that the Kh-101 can actually hit an oil rig, scene matching is somewhat challenging in an ocean after all, unless you imagine the sea to be a constant fixture with significant land marks.:rolleyes:
Can you prove it CAN NOT?
No I didn’t think so.
Cause I’m pretty sure that the launch platform will be in constant feed with the missile’s TV cam, which means once it’s in range the launch platform can designate a target. About how the Su-24M / Kh-59M system works. But hey, that’s speculation just like anything related to the military, especially Russian equipment since there’s so much conflicting information about it.
So keep being the armchair general that you are, and give some thought to what you actually type while you are at it.
dionisYou seem really confused by this, I have never said that US CVBG’s are invincible and you are lying when you suggest that I have.
It is you who are incompetant as it is you who has created 4 fantasy weapons systems and then failed to provide a shred of evidence to suggest that they are in service.:rolleyes:
No my dear “all knowing” armchair general, your incompetence far overgrows mine, you don’t even put any thought to what you type here. “Kh-55 firing Tu-95s out of service” – good one. Your keyboard have 2’s next to 5’s ? :rolleyes:
Again, why can a Kh-101 hit an oil rig but not a moving stadium? You’ve ignored this 3 times. :rolleyes:
dionisComing from the guy who thinks Kh-55 firing Bears are still in service, that the Kh-65 is still in service, that the Kh-41 is currently equipping flankers and that the Kh-101 has an AShM capability, despite your inability to provide a single source to back up any of your claims, I will just assume that the above is a self description.:rolleyes:
Oh wow! I am speechless :rolleyes: Your competence in general just went from 2/10 to 0/10.
Do US Carriers have force fields from the future, by the way?
On a more serious note, why is it again that a Kh-101 can hit an oil rig but can’t hit a moving stadium? Never explained that one. 😉
dionisNope, its all correct…………..unlike your fantasy weapons.:rolleyes:
Hahaha yeah you’re real armchair general.. arghh *cough cough* real war strategist who knows every last detail of the Russian Armed Forces. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
dionisI suggest you go back and read post 2 in this thread.:rolleyes:
Part 2 of post 2 is where you failed. 🙁
dionisI have never said that the USN carriers are invincible……………….stop lying.:mad:
The fact is that you have listed a whole bunch of systems that are not in service, so you look completely ignorant.:rolleyes:
By the way you participated in the discussion it’s clear you have a fantasy about an invincible US navy. :rolleyes: From impenetrable defenses to untrackable carriers since they have the RCS of an F-22. :rolleyes:
And as far as systems not being in service, it matters little towards the original topic if they aren’t (which is still debatable, as in reality you really don’t know what the Russians are doing at any given moment). Since by the time the US, if ever, get stupid enough to attack Russia, they’ll be way worse off attacking them later than sooner.
dionisAbout the Klub
Return to Sender: India Rejects Kilo/Klub Sub & Missile Upgrades
Yeah this is familiar, but I was more curious as to what the air force / naval air force have been doing to upgrade their ASM capabilities with all the midlife upgrades going on to just about every aircraft (there were rumors of an air launched Klub).
dionisI dont know why its confusing.Lets see it this way Brahmos is the upgraded(and completed) version of the original missile with india providing some subsytems.Now if Russia wants to use it,she may use it with the Indian subsystems or replace them with Russian subsystems.In the latter case it might not technically be a “brahmos”.Why would they need to buy it from India?It is a Jv, a corporation.profits go both ways.
The 10km less on paper is to comply with MTCR.IIRC DRDO(Indian partner) chief has said the range could be increased upto 500 kms.
But anyway people are looking towards the development of the hypersonic Brahmos II now.
Pillai is the CEO of Brahmos corp.
Guess that’s one way to look at it.
Wonder what the Russians have been doing with the Klub variants lately…
dionisLol stop trying to hide your ignorance. The fact that you have proved so perfectly in this thread is that you are know absolutely nothing about this subject.
You have failed to provide a single piece of evidence for any of your claims and completely ignore the overwhelming facts given to you……….you are a joke.
You’ve done little to prove carriers can survive a coordinated strike from a combination of Russian Navy and Air Force assets that have been listed, spare the sketchy/confusing armaments that you so desperately fought to take out of the discussion 🙂
Just keep believing carriers are invincible, you’ll be really surprised one day. 😀
By the time the US gets out of the mess in the Middle East, carriers will be becoming more and more obsolete. If anything, your typical ignorance is a joke. :rolleyes:
dionisLook no country sells its top technology to another country , however close they might be.But lets have a look at the Yakhont/Brahmos thing.Yakhont wasnt fully developed due to financial constraints.So India chipped in with financial aid and a JV was started to make the missile operational.Now naturally Russia wouldnt want to part with things in the missile which it considers sensitive.So India included its own subsystems(navigation systems,onboard computer ,some parts of propulsion , fire control system electronics , the software etc.) for its own use.Therefore Russia is also saved from handling over sensitive technology and India is saved from getting downgraded equipment.That is the benefit of a JV.
Also..dont take it as a given that Indian evaluators always think that Russian equipment is always the best option available.In that case they dump the Russian thing and go for a better system available inhouse or in the world market.Eg as in MKI,Mig-29K etc.
All can be said is that the IA , IN are very happy with what they have.Hopefully the same will work out for the sub-launched and the air launched variant.
So it dont think anything can be conclusively said which one is the downgraded version.
So are you suggesting the Russians will just build the Brahmos themselves? Or buy it from India? The fact that it is a joint venture makes this confusing, I wonder if NPO Mashinostroeyenia can make the missiles themselves.
The Yakhont on paper looks little different from the Brahmos, being possibly 10KM longer ranged, with a warhead smaller by 50KG, and some .6 mach slower. I’m sure the Russians themselves could twink Yakhont’s original specs upwards.
So I wonder which one it’s gonna be.. Brahmos or more Yakhont improvement :confused:
dionisWrong sunshine, as of 2002 the missile had not entered production, no confusion at all.:rolleyes:
With your in service Kh-65’s, AShM Kh-101’s, Kh-22 firing Bears and now this classic piece of uninformed nonsense you are this forums laughing-stock.:p
You try and circumvent your ignorance by posting the likes of the above, fact is that you have no sources and no information. You are so uninformed that before now you have actually confused Russian and NATO designation systems.:eek:
Learn to read your own articles, it says that the aircraft needs the adapter but that the missiles are different variants.
Plenty of confusion actually, just as with any Russian weapon system. 😉
What’s to say the missile hasn’t been produced for air to surface purposes at home at all in the last 6 years, especially when the air force has gained more ability to use the weapon? I guess maybe it’s because they plan to mount Yakhonts on the Su-27SMs instead right? Even better.
So considering you have no domestic quote about anything involving the Moskit, you have little credibility.
Flankers should be the least of your worries for your “invincible” carriers anyway. 😀
And just to make a point… Kitchens.. Moskits.. Backfires.. Kickbacks.. Bears.. Oscars.. really don’t make a difference in the end. No one can predict with any accuracy what a conventional conflict between the USSR / Russia and the US would be like, and the Americans can’t really afford to try either.
Now I’m sure it must be upsetting for you to know that American government can’t boss every country in the world around, even if they do have .. *drum roll* 12 carrier groups :rolleyes: … since certain countries can retaliate by waving a big middle finger (read: ICBM) back and saying “I don’t think so” .:dev2:
dionisThe antiship capability of the Su should be Kh-31A/P , Kh-29TE , Kh-59ME , Kh-35 and later Brahmos.
Which is plenty considering the type of aircraft and their numbers!
I think it would be more likely that the Yakhont or a modernized/improved version of the missile would be used in the RuAF / Navy / Army instead of the Brahmos, since the Brahmos is actually a Yakhont development, and the Russians have a history of never selling a “top” platform to anyone, which would mean doing something to make the “Yakhont-M” or whatever significantly better than the Brahmos I would think.
If a Kh-59ME can target a ship, that obviously means a Kh-101 should be able to?
But then sealordlawrence of course will say that while you can target an oil rig at see with a Kh-101, no way can you target something much bigger that’s moving along. 😉
dionisSo once again you have no sources.
We have been through this multiple time before, you can not prove that America does not have a Death Star therefore they must have one.
Prove that the air launched Moskit is in service or go away.:p
Oh yeah, according to this source, as of 2002 the Kh-41 had not entered production so unless you can prove that that has changed in the last few years just stop posting.
http://www.nti.org/db/nisprofs/russia/exports/general/expmsl.htm
I’ll continue to post just to laugh at your replies, even if I have to make stuff up to get you all steamy. :dev2:
Only issue is that that’s an export site, so that could mean confusion in terms of whether the missiles were built for export or home use, or both, or neither.
Close man, but no cigar. 😉
http://www.ausairpower.net/TE-PGMs-July-04-P.pdf < All you need is an adapter to make it work anyway, read up. Production is pretty hard to follow, since the same factore makes the same missiles.
dionisSo post one that says that the combination is in service.:rolleyes:
Post a credible one that says it isn’t.
:rolleyes: x2
Not to mention if they have the capacity to do it, how hard is it to when necessary prop a Kh-41 onto an aircraft??
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