While ‘Googling’ to find more about an old photo, accidently came across this totally ‘zombie’ thread – which did provide the information I required – that this Amercian built (therefore ineligible to appear) aircraft was at the S.B.A.C. air show in 1956.
In return, although I doubt that the original contributors are still waiting for a reply, a photo of 12611 C-119C Packet at Farnborough during the 1956 S.B.A.C. event.
This, along with many other ’50s Farnborough photos can be found on:S.B.A.C. AIR DISPLAYS AT FARNBOROUGH – 1950s | North West Air News (proboards.com)
If I’m allowed to plug a privately published (by David Lawrence in 2020 and 2023) heavyweight tome in two volumes on all things P.56 Provost as it may be of interest to some.
The date for the two images of G-DAKS/’G-AGHY’ is Sunday 27th June 1982 – and the hangar shapes confirm absolutely for certain the location is Liverpool and I can add that the occasion is an Air Display at Speke.
G-DAKS arrived at Liverpool Airport at 1124 on the Sunday morning from Woodford (where it had appeared in the RAFA Air display there the day before). It departed Liverpool at 1500, performed a display routine and departed directly after for Duxford. In 1982 Liverpool Airport was still active on the original ‘north’ airfield and the late 1930s Art Deco terminal was still in use. In the images the aircraft is flying along the axis of runway 26, which although closed for landings and departures in April ’82 was re-activated for the day of the airshow.
The only other record I have for this aircraft in the 1980s being in Liverpool airspace is on Wednesday 30th September 1981 when it performed a go-around (at the time an overshoot) on runway 17 while en route through the air traffic zone and likely ATC requested a look at her, to which the crew obliged!
As I find I can ‘edit’, I’ll two images I have of ‘G.AGHY’ at the Liverpool Air Show in June 1982 tomorrow – it is a bit late now to go digging through the photofiles.
With that tall fin, high wing and wing root marks, I would say a Tornado is the basis for a cleverly observed Christmas owl cartoon. Certainly not Harrier, although are both designs a little late for Napier? Certainly not TSR-2 either, which is another high wing, big engine intakes, that crossed my mind.
A few days later and this pops up on my MSN Newsfeed.
Be aware the link will almost certainly drag a load of irrelevant adverts along with it. Interesting detail, some misleading modern comparisons(?)
Catapult designed to launch World War II bomber planes unearthed in England (msn.com)
To find if this forum still has a sense of humour???
I have some b&w photos dating back to the early ’60s of flying boat fuselages at two locations. These are in a collection kept by the late Don Stephens, who will have acquired these shots while the editor of the first two editions of ‘Wrecks & Relics’ in June 1961 and August 1963 (Ken Ellis’s first was edition 4 in 1974). They may be of interest, the captions are as noted on the reverse of the prints. Who supplied the prints has not been noted.
These two captioned: Great Bottom Flash, 10th September 1960
These three captioned: Bawdsey Ferry, 19th August 1961, and that the third shot is a different hull to the pair of photos above.
This one captioned: Southampton at Bawdsey Ferry, August 1962.
Added later on ‘edit’:
I checked my post 30 minutes after posting, and the small, expandable ‘thumb nails for forums’ were there and enlarged on a mouse click-over when instructed to. Totally gone 12 hours later and replaced by a black block stating ‘image not found or removed’. Have used ‘edit’ to insert, new re-generated image code, selecting ‘hotlink for forums’ this time (image opens up immediately on requesting the thread) and I’ll check in the morning! “Fargo Boyle”, I hope the extra wait was worth it!
Entering images on this forum is a pain, as there is an extra step compared to all other forum I participate on. Posted some 50 images via the same host on to another forum today without any issue.
Those words “a wet and windy August day” sum up my first flight too. Aer Lingus Fokker Friendship, EI-AKG, Liverpool to Dublin in mid August 1961. Seemed to spend more time moving vertically than horizontally. due to an Atlantic storm creating turbulent head-winds.
It was my 4th flight that I remember more of. The following year, a day-trip to LAP’s Queens Building balconies with my ex-RAF father for passing the 11+ exam. On the way home with Starways on DC-4 G-APEZ he knew one of the crew, so I flew the whole way back to Liverpool hanging onto the back of the pilot’s seats – including for the landing! Once parked I made my back out of the cockpit and the passengers (mostly ‘suit and tie’ business men) applauded me and congratulated me on a “Jolly Good landing, sonny”. What excitement the current generation of youngsters miss out on in this age of ‘secure and sterile’ cockpits. The pilots filled out a folded card ‘Starways Junior Flight Log’ to record the flight, which I still have.
Here I am now, 60 years on, some 580 flights later with passengers flights on aircraft as diverse as Ford Trimotor, DH Dragon, Short Sandringham, T-6 Texan, Mil-8, An-2, Broussard, Twin Pioneer, VC-10, Trident and of course Concorde.
What I do notice about this thread is that ‘aircraft watchers’ (I’ve grown beyond being a spotter or enthusiast) are an aging breed – even the most recent first flight noted here is 50 years ago!
My paper references and the web sites quickly consulted for confirmation all seem to point toward No. 15 OTU as a Wellington equipped unit 4/40 to 3/44 with codes EO (only until sometime 1943), FH and KK.
After all the fuss on a Spitfire thread very recently when the initial reply went off on an innocently mistaken tangent, hesitant to post this in case I am too am making an error of finding something other than what has been requested!
Have spotted that No. 5 OTU were equipped with Beauforts. Perhaps “Airfield” could quickly confirm his question?
Took longer to sign in (why is it “spammers” can get in and I can’t?), than to do a little ‘research’ on a photo manipulation programme into the registration. Positively, absolutely, clearly a 3, making SL563. The shape of the bottom curve of both 5 and 3 looks not to be quite normal (a little elongated?) perhaps.
As to ‘Babs’ it was a ’40s abbreviation for Dorothy, so girl friend or sister perhaps? The aircraft registration may have changed, but the original question remains valid. Added on edit: Sorry, typing without thinking the comment through fully. Thanks “dhfan” in the following post.
As to my opening question. The answer is likely that at age 17 they know exactly what they are doing, at 70 I’m still fumbling around!
Certainly all the new threads gone by 09:50 UK time. Thank you someone on Key’s staff.
Fair enough by 09:50 UK time Monday morning the pages of garbage had all gone, a much swifter response this time so someone deserves thanks. Problem does seem to lie in the registration process, yet if I attempt to register (as distinct from log-in), I’m immediately requested to enter my subscription reference. Key do need to solve the issue – even if only to save someone on the staff a task each morning!
Looking in late afternoon Monday and the site is clear of spam. For an organisation that works office hours, I feel that is not unreasonable considering the situation only began Friday evening.
As for ‘Scrooge’s’ comments regarding how easy it is to join, I find that every time I come on to post I have to circumnavigate the need to be a subscriber (living outside the UK I cannot get paper copies, while the cheaper and very convenient e-mag is only available via a third party, not Key). If it wasn’t for the the fact that I was posting member before the big changes with my username/password stored in my PC, I could no longer participate. Being signed-on only seems to last around 2-3 weeks then I have to go through the rigmarole of signing in again. User friendly this site is not.
Sorry to read that ‘Moggy C’ has given up, being one of the few on here to know the significance of the Stork Hotel in the 60s and the meetings of Air Britain Liverpool Branch there. So another break with the past, although I hope that he is aware that through the North West Air News Forum’s nostalgia section that the spirit of that group lives on today.
I’m not too sure just why AB910/G-AISU is discounted so easily as the first Spitfire “warbird” put back into WWII camouflaged scheme by its owners for display and publicity purposes. It had been purchased on the civil market (not as military surplus) by an aircraft manufacturer, true, but it had no military role and was civilian registered. Discounted for not being really privately owned. But Vickers-Armstrong was a private company (as distinct from directly military) and owning it was certainly not for commercial purposes to promote development or sales of Spitfires, nor for test flying developmental work, as was G-ALGT. How many of today’s airworthy ‘warbird’ Spitfires are owned directly by a private individual, rather than a trading company?
It was most certainly on the air display circuit in RAF WWII camouflage when displayed to the public on 21st May 1956 at a SSAFA Air Display at Speke Airport (Liverpool) painted as AB910/QJ:J flown by Jeffrey Quill and arrived from Chilbolton as G-AISU.
At the time the final RAF aircraft were still being operated up the road at RAF Woodvale by the THum Flight (Temperature and Humidity Flight) under contract to Short Bros using civilian pilots. They were PR.19s in PR blue (although PS915 was silver overall) in full service colours and military serials and maintained by RAF MUs. The final aircraft when retired in June 1957 went on to form the basis of Battle of Britain Flight.
Sorry ‘Propstrike’, but in my books G-AISU/AB910:QJ-J qualifies as the first ‘warbird’ schemed Spitfire deliberately painted as such after having been, as you do point out, initially in civilian style schemes after de-mob and displayed as a ‘warbird’ (likely before the term was coined) in a representative WWII period scheme to the public. Not just the first, but the first by a considerable margin.
There I’ve put my head over the parapet, and made my case.
Added several days later on ‘edit’:
The reference to AB910 being coded ‘QJ:J’ appears to be erroneous. A photo at the 21/5/56 event show the port side at least did not have any code applied. “Trumper” in the next post might be interested in that on the same day Jeffery Quill also flew a display routine in the Shuttleworth’s Deperdussin Monoplane, which could well qualify him to be considered as a display pilot. The Deperdussin was transported by road from and back to Old Warden.
I stand corrected. Thank you for putting me right. Should have looked harder at the url before putting fingers to keyboard.