Could be that the mechanic did not remember the full 6 figure Bu (Aer) number, substituting the Bu xx, then either final 2 numbers, or the 2-digit individual aircraft code within a unit or base, ie the ’55’ followed by a Trident motif to shorthand the unit or base the aircraft was from. Could be wrong. Certainly too little to tie into an individual aircraft now, clearly the guy who wrote it knew how to match that piece back to the correct airframe some 60ish years ago though!
Can think of a lot worse things to do on a slow Sunday afternoon, thanks for the head-scratch puzzle!
The Merseyside Aviation Society’s (at the time) ground-breaking books on US military serials included ‘United States Navy Serials 1941-1976’, Peter Danby. While now considerably out of date, it is still THE paper guide to older US Navy (Bureau of Aeronautics or Bu Aer) numbers.
55554 is a little too early, being a General Motors FM-2 Wildcat, supplied to the RN as Wildcat IVs.
155554 is too recent, being a McDonnell F-4J Phantom II
Bit puzzled in your request. Do the ‘?’ represent a missing number, or the previous number shown as being dubious interpretation?
So trying 5*55* as the Bu Aer, then the possible types are Corsair, Texan, Kaydet, Avenger, Dauntless, Wildcat, Skymaster, Corsair, Hellcat, Privateer, where the first * is replaced by 0, 1 , 2 etc. Seems that the 5*55* range is allocated a little early for a Neptune, while the 15*55* is well to late as Orions, Sabreliners and helicopters are some of the types wearing that range of Bu Aer numbers.
On a whim, widened the search into ‘United States Air Force Serials 1946 to 1977, also Peter Danby, MAS. Looked at fiscal serial 55-555*, and each year in 50s eg 50-55*, 51-55*, 52-55* etc, but again drew a blank.
On my interpretation of the request, looks like a false trail for the tail number! Come up with another 6-figure number, I’ll be glad to look it up.
After a deep dig into the ‘little grey cells’, had to give up and dive into JJ Halley’s ‘Squadrons of the Royal Air Force’ to discover that in 1975 No.35 Sqdn were operating Avro Vulcan B.2s, operating from Scampton. The unit marking being a stylised ’35’ with the numbers combined together. So it is Vulcan pictures at those shows that need to searched for.
Prestwick 14/06/75 Vulcan B.2 XM571, no unit noted
Binbrook 19/07/75 Vulcan XL446 of 35 Sqdn
St Mawgan 06/08/75 XL445 noted as 35 Sqdn
Yeovilton 06/09/75 Vulcan B.2 XJ783 of 35 Sqdn
However the shows I took photos of Vulcans at that year eg Valley and Finningley show 617, 44 or 101 Sqdn a/c. Still the details above should help those around air displays in 1975 with a camera cut down on the number of images they search through.
Conveniently in support of the argument overlooks the likes of Boeing, Consolidated (incl Vultee), Martin, North American, Lockheed, Cessna, Piper etc. as major producers.
While I have no supporting facts, in very generalised terms, I would state that the East coast pre-War, in particular New York State was the industrial powerhouse for whole Union, it was where the finance originated for industrial enterprise (having survived the New York Stock market crash a decade earlier). New York State was where modern enterprise was funded from pre-War. While the West Coast had the space and supported innovators (even then); the Great Lakes the output of raw materials, especially steel. Over simplified, yes – but so too was the original hypothesis.
Now, if the hypothesis had been why were failing, dated and mis-managed (if that was indeed the case) aircraft manufacturers in New York State given so much support in the face of successful innovation from elsewhere within the Union, then I too would wonder on political influence. I feel the percentage thing in the title is misleading – but have no figures to either support or refute.
Interesting hypothesis or troll comment, I trust that it is the former.
Could well be that it is the same machine. Failed to find mention of the German machine on a quick search of the forum I think I have seen it mentioned on. May have been a few more years ago than I originally thought – which would fit with Alan Clark’s post.
There are reports each summer for a few years now of a German registered Bell used in the UK for lifting supplies to conservation projects rebuilding eroded mountain pathways.
Some 20 years or so ago I briefly talked to a guy who worked with Lockheeds at Speke, although he was suffering from Alzheimer’s. The aircraft coming across the Atlantic as ‘deck cargo’ were inhibited with a black tar-like grease. This was removed with what he (being British) called ‘paraffin’ – so yes the aircraft were cleaned with kerosene. Hot kerosene though sounds somewhat alarming both in terms of flammability and toxic fumes.
Don’t seem to be able to go back into my post on ‘edit’ to add info.
105 Sqdn moved to RAF Khormaskar, Aden June 1962, so just before XP413 was delivered to the unit July 1962.
Agree XP413 is the biggest clue, hangar doors looking fairly similar!
July 1962 – March 1964 based Khormaskar, Aden with 105 Sqdn
June 1964 – May 1965 with HSA, likely at Bitteswell
May 1966 – December 1968 based Thorney Island with 242 OCU
January 1969 – mid ’70s based Cottesmore with 115 Sqdn
SOC May 1976 at Fairford. Scrap date ?
Pity there is no unit badge on the fin!
Certainly an AW.660 Argosy rear in the hangar and no reason to suppose that is any other aircraft then XP413, given the ‘413’ clue.
However the history is not so short and clear-cut as suggested by “RAF Rochford”.Don’t have my paper records to hand, however http://www.argosyair.co.uk/2nd20.html gives:
First flight 8.7.62
Delivered 22.07.62 to 105 Sqdn (from memory based Aden)
Ditched in Aden Harbour while crew training 24.03.64.
Prompt local action recovered, dismantled and returned the aircraft to HSA in the UK 6/64, by surface transport.
Rebuilt by HSA in UK
Delivered to 242 OCU 02.05.66 (from memory based at Thorney Island while with Argosy aircraft)
To 27MU 02.01.69 (so would have been at Shawbury)
To 115 Sqdn 16.06.69, for conversion to an E. Mk 1 aircraft. 115 Sqdn based at RAF Cottesmore 68-76.
SOC 01.05.76 at RAF Fairford and scrapped.
Nothing to stop the aircraft being at RAF Benson, a series of alternatives are offered by where the aircraft was based, which include Aden, Thorney Island, Cottesmore and possibly Bitteswell or Shawbury on refurbishment.
One thing certain though is the photo has certainly to be 1962 onwards, with 1976 as a very final date.
A photo very similar to that here of G-ARJY at Dublin has appeared on nwan forum and provoked discussion a year or two back. I’ve been back, looked at the thread and find the post with a link to short movie clip of the aircraft shortly after the landing appears to have been deleted. Some confusion as to whether it was an under- or over-shoot of the Dublin runway. Look closely and there is a fence behind the aircraft and no ‘witness’ marks on the ground. If I recall correctly the film clip showed the aircraft having come to rest blocking a road – by the time the still photo was taken ‘JY had been moved, and the ‘Starways’ titles painted out.
I also recall a magazine article a good few years ago stating that the fuel system of the Canadair Argonaut was so complex as the C-54/DC-4 fuel system had been extensively adapted to cater for the different demands of the Merlin powerplant against the P&W radial. Could have been that the Merlin’s had superchargers – or maybe I’m stretching the ‘grey cell’ too far? Knowing this forum someone who really knows will be along shortly.
Members of the Merseyside based ‘North West Air News’ (nwan) forum have been out and using ‘Scouse’s’ clues have got a better look (and clear photos) of the Wessex – with photo confirmation that is indeed XS885/512:DD.
http://derbosoft.proboards.com/thread/24360/wessex-sighted-industrial-premises-liverpool
NB. The ‘smiley’ being a ‘Dee Dee’ code when initially typed.
Members of the Merseyside based ‘North West Air News’ (nwan) forum have been out and using ‘Scouse’s’ clues have got a better look (and photos) of the Wessex – and photo confirmation that is indeed XS885/512:DD.
http://derbosoft.proboards.com/thread/24360/wessex-sighted-industrial-premises-liverpool
Mods, please delete, it seems I can’t’.
The link to the photos:
Currently last post on: http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?115736-C-54-at-North-Weald
Tried to edit this in, but once typed in, could not find how to re-post. Probably very simple!
Photos on this forum, on another thread within the past two weeks, show the aircraft apparently with large side section cut out on one side.
IF the pilot identification in the photo is correct, and therefore IF the date is therefore pre-December 1941, then the two units quoted, 8 Squadron and 55 Squadron (both Blenheim units at that time) were Middle East/North Africa based. In the light of the pale colour scheme observations above, could that be the ‘unusual explanation’ speculated – although looking at the photo again, those are very ‘British’ trees in the background.
No real help – but I do find these identify what/where/when/why photo posts absolutely fascinating!