Damocles has the option of the Nahar nav FLIR inside the pylon.
Yes, one of the early World Air Power Journals has either a German or Italian Tornado with a Mk 82/83 under the inner wing HP.
Could someone post the planned articles for Volume 22 please?
Absolutely useless without a datum to work from (SOSUS or the like, using communications) or a chokepoint to work.
USAF have only 5 stations wired for 1760 databus compatible weapons – centreline, underwing and either front or centre lower CFT – these are the only ones that can carry JDAM in USAF service (and other modern digital weapons).
South Korea have all stations wired for 1760, hence the 12 GBU-38 loadout.
Any have clear pictures of which hardpoint carry the SDB?
AGM-129 ACM, the AGM-86 ALCM was not cleared for external carriage and near supsersonic speeds.
SMART-L & SAMPSON
SMART is an L-band 3D radar – ranges are given as 0.001 m2 at 65 km (stealthy target), fighter at 220 km, MPA at 400 km. The radar can detect TBM and even satellites in low orbit!
Grouping SMART-L with APAR gives longer range, but at the cost of having to mount 2 separate radars.
SAMPSON could supposedly operate without S-1850M (SMART-L with different software for longer range) – range given as ‘several hundred km’ and 105 km vs 0.008 m2 target (a pigeon if you ever need to detect one!).
EMPAR
European Multi-Purpose Array Radar ranges are 50 km vs 0.1 m2 (LO missile such as head-on Harpoon, etc), 100 km vs 2 m2 (head on fighter), 180 km vs 10 m2 (bomber, MPA, etc).
It can provide guidance for 24 Aster SAM, and is phased array (not active).
Herakles
Herakles is an active array rotating at 60 rpm in the S-band (range) – the beam can search against the direction of rotation for longer dwell times.
The radar can form 4 beams, which can operate in long range search and 3D area defense at the same time. It also has a NCTR mode using imaging. It can start tracking targets on one or two scans as it back scans (keeps the spurious contacts that don’t qualify as tracks until they reach a threshold).
The manufacturer claims the radar is ideal for small ships with small crews due to the design.
Ranges are 200 km vs fighter/helicopter, 60 km on low RCS missile. It can hold 400 tracks. Max 3D area defense range is 80 km (for guiding Aster 15 SAM – too low for Aster 30).
It also has a surface search capability and can direct gunfire.
Source: World Naval Weapon Systems 5 edition, pg 220-230
Any idea on radar ranges for the Mirage IIIS? – max, vs fighter, vs bomber?
The 1985 time period would have been one of the worst times for the WP to fight NATO for several reasons. It goes beyond just air to air capability.
1) Sub vs sub combat greatly would favor NATO. All of the Soviet subs were noisey and the Soviets were just learning about it from the walker family. US subs had a passive detection range advantage of 10:1 over WP SSNs.
Walker was caught in 1986, he had been passing info to the Soviets since 1968 and the y were already aware of how noisy their SSN and SSBN were. The Victor III were in service, which were waaay quieter than earlier classes.
2) Every CVBG had at least one aegis cruiser.
There were 3 in service by 1985 – Ticonderoga, Yorktown and Vicennes.
3) Ground combat would have been harsh on the WP. The US Army had the M-1 Abrams, the UK had the Challenger and West Germany had the Leopard. These three tanks outclassed the T-72 and older Soviet armor. Can you imagine the horror the Soviet Army would feel when they discovered the HEAT rounds nor ungsten-carbide sabots would not penetrate Chohbram armor, as in PGW#1. That DU sabots could penetrate but, only at ranges around 1,700 meters or less. The Soviets also under estimated the effect on a battlefield of the MLRS in countering ‘tube artillery’.
Battlefield distances in central Europe were mainly under 1700 m, so it wouldn’t have made a difference.
The MLRS had entered service in 1983 with US Army, and with NATO in 1989 – numbers would have been low in 1989.
4) NATO had an advantage of an 8:1 ratio in helicopters. The USAF had many A-10’s while the Su-25 existed in smaller numbers.
8:1! Cannot be stuffed looking up numbers but the USSR had many Mi-24 Hind. The AH-64A entered service in July 1986. The US Army had day-only AH-1 in service, with other NATO countries even worse off. The Pact had many air defense systems which could out-range the TOW missile.
A-10 are brilliant, but proved vulnerable during GW1 to heavy ground fire.
5) In air superiority, no Su-27’s in the V-VS (just a couple squadrons in the PVO), just a couple squadrons of MiG-29’s. The WP’s air superiority fighters would be the MiG-23 with assist from the MiG-21’s, against over 500 F-15’s, 1,000 F-16’s, 450+ F-14’s, Tornados and, F-4 Phantoms.
Major problem that Frontal Aviation faced in 1970s were the manufacturing deficiencies of the MiG-23M -this limited agaility to 5G. As a result frontal aviation pilots had limited experience in dogfighting. These problems were solved in 1977 – with training much imporved in the 1980s. The much improved MiG-23ML and MiG-23MLD were in service – these would be better than the F-4 in service with NATO, had a BVR missile unlike the F-16 (at the time)
In the attack realm the USSR wasn’t too far behind NATO and ahead in other areas – the MiG-27, Su-17, Su-24 were superior to NATO aircraft in many ways with all capable of using PGM (compared with limited in NATO), ARM, etc.
6) The WP only had three squadrons of MiG-23’s that had air-refueling ability!
MiG-23 were never fitted with inflight refuelling capability.
8) If you thought the performance of the Sparrow Missile was poor, it was still far higher than the Alamo AA-10 Missile. The Sidewinder -9P & -9M outclasses any IR missile from the WP at that time.
Alamo is considered as good as AIM-7 family. Fair call on AIM-9, AA-11 Archer would only be available in low numbers.
7) NATO had over two dozen AWACS and the WP had none operational.
NATO had 18 delivered by May 1985 – France and UK came later. The USAF had 32 E-3A with around 27 available – 3 based in Alaska, 2 Japan – leaving 22 for global operations (Middle East, home defence, Korea, etc). WP had excellent GCI ground coverage. Passive tracking systems such as Ramona were entering service as well.
Soviet union also had ground based jammers to degrade the E-3.
The 1976 GWS 31 study called for vertical launch and mid-course guidance for illumination in the terminal phase only (similar to NTU) – a single illuminator could provide guidance for more than 1 missile. This would also resulted in longer range, as the missile could travel a more efficient path.
The later 1978 missile looked at a number of options including reducing reaction time form 23 to 20 seconds, range would be 47 km (Sea Dart 21 km) against a ‘demanding target’. Effectiveness would go from 0.53 to 0.7, minimum range stays 4.1 km and the Type 090 remains the director.
In was killed in 1982 by the Defence Review.
STIR and Sea Dart Mk II would have been fitted on as many of the earlier Type 42 as possible.
There is no replacement planned for the O H Perry/Adelaide frigates. Instead new surface combatants will enter service to replace the Anzac FF in the 2020s.
Adelaide to go 2007 – (gives 8 Anzac and 4 Adelaide)
Sydney and Darwin 2013-17 – (gives 8 Anzac and 2 Adelaide; 3 Hobart DDG enter service 2013-17)
Melbourne and Newcastle 2019-21
After this date 8 Anzac and 3 Hobart DDG
The RAN lacks the manpower and budget – the crews of the FFG will end up on the DDG.
Collins class due to go from 2026.
Amphibious lift will be 2 LHD (Canberra and Adelaide) from 2012 to replace the LPA.
Tobruk will be replaced by a ‘sealift ship’, possibly a LPD.
I’m guessing they can at least carry laser guided bombs – but can they carry the Litening targeting pods as well?
All gone.