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  • in reply to: Indian Air Force Thread 20 #2372961
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    Indian AF don’t want HTT-40
    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/bangalore/IAF-HAL-cross-swords-over-indigenous-basic-trainer-project/articleshow/18395754.cms

    on a related note, why did they choose the PC-7MK2 instead of the PC-9 or PC-21?

    in reply to: Indian Air Force Thread 20 #2242809
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    A nice looking model, but I am not particularly impressed… I wish the design incorporated these features as well:
    * widely spaced engines to maximize internal volume (similar to Pak-Fa)
    * Raised cockpit and a bubble canopy
    * Smaller, all moving vertical fins (similar to Pak-Fa)

    I wish they displayed its specs such as desired performance & dimensions. I hope there will be further design iterations.

    sounds like what you want is a Pak-fa with a bubble canopy.

    widely spaced engines are suitable for designs using tandem bays.
    tandem bays would’ve made a less draggy and smaller rcs design but lockmart claims there were center of gravity issues when they tried it.

    what about two large side bays ala x-32?
    if being twinned power perhaps HAL would arrange a top-down engine mount like the lightning?

    in reply to: MiG-29 Fulcrum #2242816
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    Very well. Facts speak louder than words.
    Here are real, even not full load.
    Now we can see that MiG-29 are able to load 4×1500L ETs and one 1650L under centerline, totally 7650L for external fuel. How many could your F-16 carry?
    Does your F-16 will be able to load 4 heavy air to ground missile plus 4 M-R-AAM? If it does, show me……

    your MiG-29 image on the left is the old MiG-29M produced in the 80s and tested in the early 90s. That picture is of a test model with dummy missiles. That particular MiG never got further in its development and fully integrated its air to ground. You can show all the a2g weapons hanging off its pylons but plastic bombs don’t win wars. Secondly even if fully integrated with weapons, the MiG-29 has poor range and needs fuel tanks. The MiG-29M fixes some of the range issues but will still need fuel tanks to be useful in A2G just like the F-16 and F-18. So that MiG in your picture will lose 2 of its a2g weapons and also add in a center fuel tank to make 3.

    The current MiG-29M or MiG-33 whatever you call it is different than the other MiG you posted if you didn’t know.

    the F-16 can carry as much fuel as that MiG if needed.
    http://stormridersbrainstorm.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/f16i.jpg
    2 wing fuel tanks, 1 center tank, and 2 conformal tanks makes five and there’s still room for a2a and a2g weapons. That picture is just an F-16 in testing but production models can do the same and the F-16 has already integrated this weapons.

    in reply to: Indian Air Force Thread 20 #2243094
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    AMCA weapons bay.
    http://i.imgur.com/yVqk6sc.jpg
    http://i.imgur.com/m79DPGS.jpg

    There don’t seem to be any side bays as shown in the earlier presentations.
    http://i.imgur.com/2Ylmn8u.jpg

    full video of the presentation from which those clips came from is here
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=IjtoIQ9MztI#!

    mentions supercruise, aesa, irst, thrust vectoring, netcentric,etc
    roles to be used: a2a, sead, dead, escort,

    F-18 gets blown up

    in reply to: airlines with all yellow or all red liveries #520477
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    http://img.planespotters.net/photo/285000/thumbnail/PlanespottersNet_285025.jpg

    best looking russian airliner

    in reply to: Pak-Fa News Thread part 22 #2243249
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    The “good guys” were the first for the chop during harsh times. The Mayan High Priests feared insulting the Gods if they sacrificed sub-standard burrito brains- you burrito brain!!

    Unfortunately Burritos did not exist during the Mayan period.
    And there’s nothing wrong with a burrito brain, its quite tasty and after consumption you have the added function of being able to propel yourself through ones own exhaust.

    What’s problematic are those who spend all day and night looking for non-existent things on their favorite airplanes.. mistaking rust stains as examples of radar blocking devices, shadows and reflections as detailed faceted APU exhaust structures, and shifts in angles as banana ducts. it implies a far more serious symptoms of deliriousness

    in reply to: Indian AMCA and Korean KFX #2243253
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    lol. What does Korea bring to the table? They have even less experience than India. At least India has the LCA to learn from. South Korea can’t even develop a trainer without Taiwanese help. 😉

    Honestly, India would be better off cooperating with France. Aside from extensive experience in aircraft design, they also have ENGINES. The only things the French lack is the willingness to pour money into a stealth fighter. This is something India can help resolve. Furthermore the fruits of such a partnership can be exported, unlike a partnership with Korea which would crumple like toilet paper against US objections. I’ve been anticipating a Franco-Indian stealth fighter ever since Rafale won the MMRCA. France has the expertise. India has deep pockets. It all fits nicely. South Korea has neither, except overweening ambition beyond their native capabilities.

    it would be hillarious if all AMCA ends up to be is a stealthy airframe with Rafale guts, and KFX is a stealthy airframe with Eurofighter guts.

    in reply to: Boeing vs Eurofighter vs Lockheed for KFX #2243255
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    Well, people believe what they want. You can believe the Russian Propaganda if you like.

    As to admitting I am wrong. All I was saying was Flanker Production will decrease over the next decade. As it is replaced by more modern 5th Generation Types. I hardly see anything in that statement as being wrong or not factual.

    think of it this way.. YF-22 flew in the very early 1990s, that didn’t stop F-15 orders from rising.

    most likely Flanker production will still be going up.. then going down rapidly.
    Also it depends if Russia will export pak-fa beyond India. If not then either they export monkey model pak-fas to countries Russia considers monkeys or sell them Flankers. That’s if the Chinese don’t overtake Russian markets with J-31

    in reply to: Pak-Fa News Thread part 22 #2243260
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    What is amusing is that the AMCA has a more “typical” stealth scheme- Side mounted s-ducts, flat bottom, engines in body.
    If the PAK-FA had the RCS of the SH (as some claim)

    TR1, you are a good guy, some one the Mayans should spare should apocalypto should occur. But somethings need to be clarified.
    DJcross, the guy who said PAK-FA had the RCS of a clean SH (probably), could be right. Pak-fa is just a demo, there’s lots of areas they can improve later. I would not be surprised if X-35 also had poorer RCS with its traditional panelling and unserrated edges.

    why would the Indians be buying so many and investing so much into an expensive foreign product, with supposedly deficient RCS compared to what themselves are going to make?

    There could be lots of possibilities
    1. FGFA will enter service much earlier. Who knows how long AMCA will take, especially if its like the LCA
    2. China is already testing two stealth fighters and since they have a habit of rushing things into service, India needs something before 2020 and PAK-FA looks like it’ll be on schedule.
    3. We don’t know how many AMCA Indians will order.. what if they end up ordering more? AMCA is still a plastic plane for now. There exists a possibility it may not even leave the showroom display

    They will have actual RCS testing data from both after all.

    They don’t have the RCS of a full size AMCA

    Answer is clear IMO. Sukhoi knows what they are doing.

    appeal to authority is fallacious. Most likely Sukhoi knows what they are doing, but do you know what they are doing or just assuming? One could argue that they chose the current design because they wanted to compromise between full stealth and performance? Perhaps they don’t have access to certain technologies? who knows.
    Secondly it also assumes Sukhoi always makes it right. The T-10 showed that Sukhoi can make mistakes that require significant re-development. No aircraft manufacturer is perfect. X-32 would’ve been the same had it been selected.

    in reply to: airlines with all yellow or all red liveries #520630
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    all red certainly seems to look better than all yellow with Air Greenland looking the sharpest

    in reply to: Indian AMCA and Korean KFX #2244606
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    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-JBG4iS73ZrY/UREE05QAGnI/AAAAAAAASxE/XGDEQvS774Y/s1600/DSC08191-743245.JPG

    AMCA model is out and it looks like Indians are finalizing the design.
    with the aircraft designed to combat threats from China, good opportunity for Koreans to join in. India has the ability to pump lots of money into the program with reduced US influence over the design.

    in reply to: Pak-Fa News Thread part 22 #2244639
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    The Indian display verifies that the plane is not intended to change at all as we have already assumed so.

    The patents indicate that the intakes shield the craft from centimeter range EM only and not milimeter range.

    The intakes are to stay as they are apparently according to the patern and some IR reducing measures exist.

    I am not sure if that is good.

    indeed the 2 FGFA models and the T-50-6 model show that most of the major features are likely to stay. That hasn’t stop people from wishfully thinking of new engine exhausts, fancy devices in the ducts, or exaggerated attention to faceted APU intakes when the rest of the rear doesn’t show the same attention.

    in reply to: MiG-29 Fulcrum #2244642
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    Actually North Korea acquired a license…

    Countries like India and China got licenses for Flanker because of it’s longer range and extra firepower. Iran could not afford to buy a large batch of MiG-29 to get license production. Other countries have the same problem, there is no point in getting one if you are only buying 24 aircraft.

    its not because its longer range, its because it HAS range. the basic MiG-29 was a point defense interceptor and had limited range.
    thats why a few MiG-29 buyers switched over to the Flanker, also due to Sukhois better support and financial stability
    ex: India, Malaysia, Eritrea, etc.

    in reply to: Indian Air Force Thread 20 #2244652
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    If nothing else the high fineness ratio reaffirms the Indian commitment to speed which further accounts for their lack of interest in F-16 Block 60, F/A-18E/F, and F-35.

    am hoping that the high fineness ratio means that they opted for tandem bays instead of side by side, but looking at the bottom side, seems unlikely.

    nice plane.. no semi conformal missile bays ala KFX

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    Not really comparable? Lets be serious for a moment. Not only are counties comparing the Rafale and the F-16, they usually pick the F-16.

    …and don’t go thinking that it is some kind of a budget vs capability kind of trade-off. Something like an F-16 block 60 is hardly a buget aircraft and the UAE is hardly a budget buyer.

    The UAE picked the F-16 over the Rafale for some pretty simple reasons, it was more capable. It had a better radar, a better EW system, and a far better selection of armaments.

    In Morocco the F-16 was cheaper, but again that doesn’t mean it required compromises in capability. Sometimes cheaper just means a better deal.

    Much of the reason the F-16 has been able to offer so much more capability for less is because of the scale of the program. The Rafale is currently being produced at a rate of 11 aircraft a year… that means 11 radars, ~22ish engines, etc. It drives up the price of everything. (One of the big reasons the Rafale win in India was so suspicious to the EF program… )

    so are you saying EF would’ve been better in meeting the performance requirements of UAE?

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