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  • in reply to: Indian AMCA and Korean KFX #2248739
    J-31 Burrito
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    The AMCA is merely at a study phase at this point with the Indian industry having their hands full with Su-30MKI, PAK-FA, Rafale, and LCA productions, whereas the KFX is actually moving forward, about to enter a full-blown development phase.

    Another issue is the politics. A multinational fighter project works the best when there is a lead country to pull the project forward. Having a bunch of nations with “equal” stakes drags the project down in politics. For example, Turkey left the KFX project over the stake dispute where Turkey wanted 40:40:20(Indonesia), but Korea’s line on the sand was 51:29:20. Turkey only returned to the negotiation table after having tried its own study.

    India is a country that has 25x South Korea’s population and an economy that is much bigger. They certainly have the financial and human resources to do more projects than South Korea.

    Also from the looks of it.
    India = finalized AMCA design
    S.Korea = can’t decide between Canard or Conventional lay out for the last 10 years.

    India will probably get farther first. Design looks more or less similar.. South Korea should make itself a Jr. Partner for India. After all the goal of the fighter will be the same. Beat China. However India has a history of beating China.. South Korea has a history of losing to China.

    in reply to: MiG-29 Fulcrum #2248785
    J-31 Burrito
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    Hmm, let me sum it up:

    – if we talk capabilities, then you take a mid-80s old MiG 9.12A and compare it to a Block 52 fresh off the production line
    – if we put it in the price perspective, then you magically transform the MiG’s price tag to ~$50mil for a fresh MiG-29K
    – and I am the one misleading …

    How about we compare F-16A Block 10 to a MiG-29KUB for a change?
    —–

    BTW, you are very far from being funny with your scrambled eggs or sausages, Hotdog. Someone had to tell you, finally.

    do not shift the topic onto breakfast items because your logic is poor.

    you know full well you threw in numbers of a brand new F-16 with a Soviet era built MiG-29.

    I upped you by bringing in a Polish F-16 order and MiG-29K order that were done within the last 10 years and are of similar generation.

    Capabilities. no.. the MiG-29 (any variant) can’t hold a candle to the F-16 in terms of Air to ground, maintenance costs, or operating costs.
    The old MiG-29 did have an advantage over the old F-16 in the BVR area, but updated F-16s have rectified that and surpassed MiG-29 (any variant) in BVR as well.
    The only area the MiG-29 holds an advantage in is acquisition cost.

    in reply to: Syria says Israeli warplanes hit military site #2249821
    J-31 Burrito
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    what if Syria started shooting into Israel similar to how Iraq did in the Gulf War

    in reply to: MiG-29 Fulcrum #2249825
    J-31 Burrito
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    I think the moderator should intervene to such racist slogans. I thought that this is a discussion forum, not a habitat for rudeness.

    ok fine, you are Polish Sausage.
    did not mean to offend or be racist.

    in reply to: MiG-29 Fulcrum #2249832
    J-31 Burrito
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    “Armia” is profesional military magazine. You just don’t read any article from this magazine, so please stop undermine Polish pilots credibility.
    Read earlier posts carefully – MiG driver said that F-16 is better in BVR, but in WVR they are quite comparable.
    You just can’t accepts that in that time also experience plays role in engagements.
    For sure F-16C/D blk 52+ is better fighter than old MiG-29 9.12A.
    About EW – AIDEWS wasn’t operational as a jammer at that time. Polish Air Force used active jamming mode of AIDEWS at Red Flag Alaska 2012 first time.

    “Practicing in Alaska for the first time we had a chance to use the AIDEWS system as a function of active jamming enemy radar.”

    http://lotniczapolska.pl/ZLOT-2012:-doswiadczenia-i-plany,26687

    I do not believe you are a Polish sausage

    in reply to: Indian CVF? #2006397
    J-31 Burrito
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    Kind of insulting to India really. And CVF is in “mass production”? Not really the case. As pointed out, India is quite capable of designing and producing its own ships. What is proposed in this thread is akin to the RN purchasing a modified “Nimitz” (no cats, ski-jump equiped conventional power) because loads of them have been built and Newport News is good at building them. National pride aside, it just makes good stratigic sense for India to produce their own designs now that they are capable.

    I think I agree with Virginia man here.

    India is moving towards indigenous purchases whenever possible. Its only in those cases where indigenous stuff really really sucks donkey balls.. like the Kaveri, do they open themselves to foreign purchases. same for China.. they know the WS-10 sucks hard candy potatos and are importing Russian engines.
    It doesn’t mean their local stuff is better, but they have better control over it.

    in reply to: RAAF's low attrition rates #2249904
    J-31 Burrito
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    It’s interesting how low the RAAF’s accident rates are.

    For example since being introduced in the md-1980’s, only 4 out of 75 F/A-18s have crashed (5% loss rate).

    Compare that to say Spain who has lost 10 F/A-18s out of 96 deliverered (10% loss rate).

    Or Italy who lost 2-3 F-16s in a very short period of time.

    I think even the Canadians have a higher loss rate (e.g. 2 lost a couple of years ago).

    Quite frankly, Australia is the greatest English speaking country in the world.. okay second compared to New Zealand.
    Its much safer, they run their military better, and when needed, they can fight hard. They also are better drinkers and better dancers.
    They are also not surrounded by a poisonous fog like in London but are plagued by dingos that eat babies

    in reply to: T-50, M-346 and Yak-130 advance trainers future prospect? #2249905
    J-31 Burrito
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    Well, it could have been anything else like price, endurance, in-cockpit simulation, etc. But “Supersonic” was the word that Alenia insider used when his company’s product wasn’t supersonic capable(Diving doesn’t count).

    I need not reply to Eagle’s comment because he’s wrong.

    Alenia’s own brochures claim 5.2~5.6 max sustained G at 15,000 feet with no mention of fuel load, so M-346’s sustained G is almost 1 G below the USAF requirement in the best case scenario, this is a fact. Also compare the M-346’s external armament of 3 tons to the T-50’s 5.4 tons, and you can see there are significant structural strength differences between two.

    your logic is wack. the M-346 kicked the **** of the T-50 in every competition they went up against. People obviously found the M-346 good enough.

    However don’t fret, the US will likely go for the T-50 because its a very American aircraft. Mostly designed by Americans with almost all of its key components being American. Its basically the Koreans paying the Americans to design and provide parts for an aircraft they couldn’t build on their own.
    Similar to Taiwan and the Ching Kuo. The only difference is the Ching Kuo didn’t have access to better engines.. if they did..the Ching Kuo probably would’ve looked just like the T-50, which is nothing more than a single engined Ching Kuo.

    in reply to: Boeing vs Eurofighter vs Lockheed for KFX #2249909
    J-31 Burrito
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    Basically RAM means paint while RAS means making the airframe out of fancy materials that reduce RCS like the F-35.

    (You know more people would be interested in this thread if SlowMan and Burrito weren’t having a nationalistic e-peen dual)

    nothing nationalistic about facts. and how about we run it down with you

    Paper airplane: Yup. Still on drawing board, haven’t even decided which model to use
    Bays: None. At least with that model its semi recessed, no different from the Typhoon.
    Ability to do on their own: History says no, Korean industries need assistance from the outside and they need it again for this.

    now J-31
    paper airplane: No, its flying and will be developed
    Bays: Pics shows there are bay panels that are open
    Ability to do on their own: No, the Chinese need Russian help, but not the same extent the Koreans needing outside.

    Actually Korea should just buy J-31.. after all dont they hate the Japanese more than the Chinese? LOLOL

    in reply to: MiG-29 Fulcrum #2249912
    J-31 Burrito
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    You forgot acquisition cost:
    F-16 – $72mil a pop (incl. basic spares) + another ca $10mil per plane for weaponry incl. AIM-9X, AIM-120C-7, JSOW, GBU-49/54
    MiG-29 – ca $10-11mil bought from Soviet Union, ca $4mil in exchange for W-3 with Czech Republic, $1.00 for the 23 German MiG-29Gs

    Stop misleading people with your incomparable numbers you scrambled egg and orange juice guy. Such dirty handed tricks.

    your MiG is an old Soviet era stock model while your F-16 numbers are closer to a newer model. Compare apples to apples not apples to bacon.

    India spent roughly $51 million on their MiG-29Ks which you could argue is comparable to a block 50/52 F-16.

    Poland spent $72 million for brand new block 52 that included other crap

    The difference is not as big as you misleadingly placed it.

    I think with these numbers you can easily forgive the MiGs slightly higher maintenance costs and somewhat crude capabilities and declare it a clear winner. Upgrade to SMT level would cost $13mil per plane. I understand the political background of the decision to go for the Viper but a better aircraft it is not.

    you also totally forgot the Viper’s air to ground capabilities. Also what do you mean by slightly higher maintenance costs. The Mig has two engines and is significantly heavier. way to white wash the facts.

    Do not be the Russian SlowMan.

    in reply to: Boeing vs Eurofighter vs Lockheed for KFX #2250125
    J-31 Burrito
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    No more paper than J-31.

    LOL lets make it simple for you

    Metal
    http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/dangerroom/2012/10/J-31-5-660x440.jpg

    Paper
    http://thumb.egloos.net/fastimg/http://pds27.egloos.com/pds/201301/29/24/f0082824_5107357f0472b.jpg

    Bay
    http://i.imgur.com/IuycS.jpg

    No bay
    http://oi45.tinypic.com/15gp9hf.jpg

    in reply to: Can anyone rival the Airbus A320 and Boink 737 series? #521470
    J-31 Burrito
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    Embraer not interested in joining Irkut, COMAC, and Bomberman in challenging Airbus and Boink?

    in reply to: Boeing vs Eurofighter vs Lockheed for KFX #2250218
    J-31 Burrito
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    Chinese don’t have access to supercruising engines.

    The KFX’s reference engine is EJ220(10% thrust unlocked version of EJ200). The possible option is F414 EPE. Both will supercruise.

    or in other words, paper project. it has yet to even decide on what engine it will use

    When Koreans had 40% of needed tech in 2006, the project went nowhere.
    When Koreans have 87% of needed tech in 2013, the project is finally moving forward.

    Golden Eagle was also a result of the F-16 offsets when Korea bought the lawndarts.. thus Lockmart also was the main designer in practice, but the sub contractor in name. With out lockmarts help, KAI wouldn’t be able to complete key systems on their own like FADEC.

    Russia said no to PAK-FA sales.

    Lies. Russia offered Pak-fa but withdrew it because Korea couldn’t offer it a fair playing ground because we know how Korea is biased towards the US
    http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/south-korea-to-evaluate-pak-fa-fighter-reports-claim-359800/

    in reply to: MiG-29 Fulcrum #2250227
    J-31 Burrito
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    Sausage sources is right.:rolleyes:

    How can they both be equal in BVR – the F-16 should normally be carrying double the number of BVR missiles for a start – and they are AIM-120C-5…

    please give the MiG-29 a bone, geebus

    in reply to: Boeing vs Eurofighter vs Lockheed for KFX #2250231
    J-31 Burrito
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    The Internal Weapons Bay is not due until the Block 2. At least the KFX is a supercruiser from the start, unlike the J-20/J-31.

    http://pds26.egloos.com/pds/201301/29/24/f0082824_5107357f7ddfc.jpg

    paper planes can’t super cruise or even fly.
    no proof the J-20 or J-31 can or can’t supercruise.

    South Korea doesn’t have the industrial capabilities to design this on their own.. They could barely design a trainer aircraft, the Golden Eagle. It was mostly a Lockmart design.

    The solution for South Korea is simple. Buy FGFA. Afterall the Indians and South Koreans share similar geopolitical concerns.

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