no, by far the best pic to measure the J-20’s wee length was my post a few months ago (or maybe it was a year ago) between the J-20 and JF-17 taxing on the runway. the camera that took it was in the same exact position so everything matched very well.
the problem was the JF-17’s length. no one knew if the data for it included the pitot tube or not.. and we know Chahneez love long things.
J24 – As has been painstakingly explained to you, your argument is undermined because your evidence on the cost side of the cost-effectiveness equation is rubbish, sourced from people who give no sign of understanding the basics of defense pricing.
And of course, on the effectiveness side, one might note that the F-35A has zero effectiveness until it is operational and, today, the USAF does not have the confidence to announce when that is expected to happen. And by that time, who knows what tactics, weapons and countermeasures will have been developed to destroy, degrade or circumvent systems which are basically Aegis on wheels, impotent on the move and rather visible when stopped.
And finally, you might want to sort out whether the JAS 39 is a Griffin or a Griffon if you want anyone to take you seriously. But you’ve been rabbiting on for long enough to have got the point if you wanted to. Ignore function GO!
go dutch on him
One thing I noticed about the new ‘Hellduck’ Su-34 bort numbers is the style of the numeral 1.
Any photos of other Russian types with the ‘hooked’ number one ???
Ken
just curious, why are the greys so inconsistent, the type used for the helicopters, transports are different and the ones on the fighters and yak-130 are also different even between them.
Much, much larger — like the artists’ concepts for FB-22 you can find on the internet.
then why not just build an FB-22? looks like lockmart had some pretty deep ideas about it.
btw that article is interesting, I did not know McD’s tried a pelikan tail
it is not just length but girth.

y20 is nice btw
pardon moi for asking..
but what’s the difference between this and the joint HAL/UAC transport project? isn’t it the same class of cargo aircraft?
The Pak-fa’s huge lerx reminds me of the F-14 at some angles. would like to see Pak-fa with swing wings
Looks really nice.. reminds me of the old MiG-29K scheme. the belly looks light grey not sky blue like on the Su-34.
But then again, the Su-35 can make most schemes look good.
On unrelated topic… having seen Su35 and Mig29M2 up close I can not get my head around just how horribly is the mig put together compared to Flanker. What the heck is going on at at MiG… are they beating those panels into shape with hammers how hard is it to manifacture well fitted panel .
Which is why Serbia should go for the Su-35 instead.. and why the hell not.. Belarus is operating flankers :diablo:
Sure, the attack helicopter has its role in a large army. It probably is the best QRF money can buy.
But will they survive at the front lines?
I’m a fan myself of the Battlehawk and Mi24/35 since they are so versatile. For a country like the US or Russia the Attack helicopters will be excellent force multipliers, for smaller armies like the Nordic (No, Sw, Dk, Fi) it would make more sense to have helicopters with transport as primary role and attack as secondary (if at all) since the enemy (Russia) will be expected to have air superiority, heavy AA, Manpads etc.
For countries like Germany its a more open playing field and they will probably make good use of having the attack helos.
i would argue the Mi-24 had a better career than the Apache
The attack helicopter will still have its place on the battle field like seahawk pointed out. But I think helicopters like Lynx wildcat are the way forward as it will be able to carry two 7 round launchers of the new Thales LMM plus up to 8 troops it could also take under slung load giving the battle field commander more options
As for acceptable losses no loss is acceptable unless it’s a fight for your homeland or to stop far more loss of life
basically sounds like a western Mi-24 with out the thicker armor (or perhaps it has it).
the media should stop blowing up the Russia losing india stuff. India is diversifying but its still pulling big bling bling on the Russians in many areas.
Haven’t you notice, its mostly about USAF now.. 🙂
Norway will initially send their Fighter pilot instructors over to US, but we have allready laid plans for a number of new Fligh simulators. No doubt they will end up at Ørlanded AB.
Once the Sims is up n running the training will happend here in Norway.
Countries like Norway can not afford any Advance Trainers, so we will make do without.Strange.. neighter IAF(Israeli), UK, Russia etc etc does not see the need for an Advance supersonic Trainer with AB.
That leaves pretty much US with this.. good luck finding funding to such Advance trainer program..
Indeed biscuit,
many countries find it easier and cheaper to just have their boys and nuggets trained in the US.
btw no evidence of a trainer version of a Gripen either.
The Tornado ADV did exactly what it was supposed to do, not what many thought it should.
yes for the Scottish. but did it do what it needed to do for the Saudis and Italianese?
One thing that does amaze me is the Western focus on countering high end threats. The funny thing about those high end threats is that the only countries able to field high end threats are Western ones.
I suspect that one day when the uber expensive F-35 is the mainstay fighter bomber of Western airforces in the 2020s it’s main targets will continue to be low tech insurgents wielding 70+ year old AKs (yes some of the AKs found in Taliban hands are 1951 vintage), RPKs and RPGs as well as the universally beloved IED.
Whatever conventional opponents NATO is willing to take on will probably be equipped with the same old SA-2/-3/-6/-7 SAMs and hangar queen MiG-21/F-7s plus the odd monkey model MiG-29 (and if it’s Iran it’ll add 1970s vintage F-4/-5/-14) that of course get blasted on the ground whilst waiting for overhauls, fuel and parts that never come.
The other potential enemies (China, Russia) are still decades behind in electronics design as well as training (look at poor Russian performance in Georgia) and doctrine.
And in any case the West does not fight semi-capable opponents anymore – it’s only low lying fruit ala Libya.
The funny thing is that Western Air Forces will be numerically smaller than today due to high cost of F-35 and thus be unable to project as much power as before.
I think evolutionary designs might have been a better choice than revolutionary designs ala F-35. That way the West could’ve maintained numerical superiority as well as a technical edge.
A great example was the V-22 Osprey. Whilst it offered great potential, constant delays meant Marines were still using ancient CH-46s and still do to at least 2014.
I assumed the poor Russian display in Georgia is due to the Georgian’s having effective equipment.. which also is Russian. Although I dont think the Russian strategy is as bad as everyone said it was, although it could’ve used improvements for sure. I think it shows that Russian AD equipment is pretty good.
Problem of F-35 is using the same airframe for SVTOL and non SVTOL versions. should’ve been separate.
my interest is..what is the role of Attack helicopters?
are heavy ones obsolete now (Apache, Mi-28, etc).. do a mix of jet/prop powered CAS and armed UCAVs more efficient?