J-31 Burritothey should’ve went Rafale and Rafale-M and not have bothered with Gorshkov. By gap between Vikrant and Vikramaditya would only be about 2 years roughly.. they could make do with the Viraat a little longer as a catapult Vikrant is built
There is nothing the MiG-35 and 29K offers over the Rafale and Rafale-M other than lower unit cost and stobar abilities.
the Rafale and Rafale-M could offer:
AESA and Spectra
range with 2 fuel tanks and 10 missiles is about 75% of the Flankers
proven air to ground abilities as the Rafale bombed a bunch of muslim countries
better customer support with spares
meteor
cleaner engines that last longer
cheaper operation cost
can share weapons with the Jaguar
etc
but seeing how long the Rafale’s procurement is going.. perhaps they shouldn’t have bothered with Rafale at all..
India operates more Su-30s than Rafales they plan to buy, and have ordered more Pak-Fa. They simply should’ve bought more Su-30s and Pak-fa’s to tide them over until AMCA comes online, and use upgraded MiG-29 to fill the medium. no need for new fulcrum variants or rafale all together.
J-31 BurritoWe don’t know the fuel consumption penalty for the bird to get to that speed in the first place. Burning half of your fuel just to overcome the transonic drag in order to cruise M0.3 faster makes little sense to me, at least from tactical standpoint. I rather get to the target later but with enough fuel reserve than vice versa..
then you won’t be flying in a mig-29 or variant.
J-31 Burritoenters asia? superjet is BORN in asia. knaapo is only 300km from the Chinese border.
J-31 BurritoThey haven’t selected anything. The link isn’t found and what there is of it is in Arabic. If the UAE had made their decision we’d sure have known already.
here’s another arabic recent article about typhoon
http://www.alankabout.com/more_topics/military/23976.html
J-31 Burritogood chance the project will basically be Gripen NG guts in 5th gen airframe.
not a bad solution.. the guts are probably better than anything China or South Korea can produce
J-31 BurritoIt’s past 1st April now Hottie.
And i did not claim such drivel.
Stop putting my name up in your post man!
du er riktige. Jeg beklager madame
J-31 BurritoLook at it this way: 300 to 400km is the range at which radars like CAPTOR and RBE2 are credited with detection of airliner-size targets – do you think it is plausible that Su-35 RCS deteriorates THAT much?
you need to tell that to haalvala, paralay, and other su-35 advocates who some how think the rafale with external weapons rcs goes dramatically up while the much larger su-35 shrinks dramatically less because of some treatments.
J-31 BurritoIt’s from J-31 Burito, I should’ve known…
…Take your cr@p somewhere else, Burito. We’re not 9 years old.
don’t blame me UAE chose Typhoon, there’s even a link. read it yourself.
J-31 BurritoJust like how the Super Hornet wasn’t supposed to be an all new type, when in fact it was.
Thank you for admitting why the TF-X must be a Gripen-derivative.
More reasons as to why the TF-X must be a derivative of an existing fighter.
So which company can develop a new modern fighter jet from scratch in 5 years?
Here is why the TF-X cannot be an all new jet; Turkey simply doesn’t have the money and expertise to develop and build a new type and must find partners willing to share an output of 300 units to be economically viable. Developing a modern fighter jet is prohibitively expensive so no country with a defense budget of less than $100 billion a year can do it alone. This is why the Typhoon was a four nation joint project, PAK-FA is a 50:50 funding project between Russia and India, Gripen E/F is a joint-venture between Sweden and Swiss, why Japan and Korea are seeking partner nations for their respective fighter projects, etc.
coem to think of it.. mexico has a bigger economy than south korea. maybe its time they make their own stealth jet.. it would be the real burrito.
J-31 BurritoThe ROK government plans to put North Korea through the same kind of rapid economic growth that it and China went through; they have the experience and money to make this happen, made especially easier by thousands of foreign companies leaving China.
they will only leave china if Nork wages are lower so there goes your plan of high wages in the nork
North Koreans are not allowed to watch any Chinese stuff.
not sure if you get such information in australia but those who are familiar with Korea know that they get Chinese and Russian stuff. the norkies just select which shows get passed. Unlike South korean stuff where almost everything is banned and has to be smuggled
Well, there are no Chung Joo Yong(Hyundai founder)
there was no North Korea when he was born. Technically he was a Japanese national
and Moon Sun Myung(Moonie cult aka The Unification Church founder and a billionaire) in Russia.
good, keep him in south korea. let the Russians keep all their ethnic Korean Red army generals, scientists, and politicians.
Where are you getting this crazy idea again? Russia’s primary objective is the defense of Siberia from Chinese encroachment through its economic development by connecting gas pipe, railway, and electric grid with the ROK.
I agree. and we can both agree on this. Neither Russia nor South Korea will tolerate Chinese carving up territory that belongs to them. However the difference is.. China would not dare try to take over large pieces of land from Russia a nuclear power. They would pick a fight with South Korea if given the chance. Thus if parts of North Korea were under Russia, those people would have better long term security than what South Korea can provide them.
Secondly, if created an autonomous oblast in the Russian style.. the Russians will let the North Koreans govern themselves on domestic issues. that is probably preferable than having some south korean coming in and telling them what to do. he would be assassinated in the first year.
J-31 BurritoThose who can’t assimilate, maybe.
Those who can, where’s the hate?
you just confessed to their hate right here
Well, they look down on all 3rd worlders, including Chinese.
North Korea is 3rd world country
The ROK government plans to do exactly that for at least 20 years by establishing a SAR.
or in other words they wont get the same salaries and lots of limitations. so there goes your arguement that they’ll be treated the same as South Koreans. Most likely South Korea would keep the north wages low so they can use them for cheap labor. basically North Korea will be South Korea’s Mexico
Then Kim Jong Eun should be flying to Russia demanding the back pay difference of $1700 per month since the average wage North Korean laborers have gotten is $300.
He is not Russian, the Russians dont owehim anything.
Well, North Koreans do not watch Russian TV.
Not any more.
they do because that and Chinese stuff are the only thing Norks are allowed to watch
If North Koreans see how the ethnic minorities live in Russia, then they would flee to the ROK faster than the speed of sound.
North Koreans would be envious.. look at all the Koreans in prestigious positions in Russia:
Boris Dmitrievich Pak, Professor, Doctor of Historical Sciences, Honored Scientific Worker of Russian Federation, academician of Russian Academy of Humanities, Main Research Scholar Institute of Oriental Studies Russian Academy of Sciences.
Bella Borisovna Pak, the first Russian Korean woman – Doctor of Historical Sciences, Leading Research Scholar Institute of Oriental Studies Russian Academy of Sciences, the chief editor of the series “Russian Koreans.”.
Yury Pavlovich Em, Russian Major General, Hero of the Russian Federation. His father, Dyun Wo Em, is a recipient of the Order of the Red Banner.[4][5]
Yevgeny Ivanovich Kim (February 27, 1932—November 1998), KGB colonel. Once Hero of the Soviet Union (conferred December 21, 1987; Ukaz № 11562).[6]
Vyacheslav Il’ich Kim, Russian Major General, Deputy Commander of the Black Sea Fleet.[7][8]
Aleksandr Pavlovich Min, Soviet military captain. Once Hero of the Soviet Union (conferred Mar 24, 1945) and Order of Lenin recipient.[9][10]
Oleg Grigoryevich Tsoy, Soviet Air Force officer and test pilot, Hero of the Russian Federation (conferred Apr 16, 1997; Ukaz № 358).[11][12][13]
Valery Kan, the youngest person ever elected to the Ussuriysk Duma.
Ljubomir Tyan, State Duma member, agricultural businessman
North Koreans would probably never be able to get the same type of jobs in South Korea.
but don’t worry.. your ideas and Russias ideas will both happen. Russia can just reclaim Raison and create a special autonomous oblast. ROK can have the rest of the basket-case that is Nork and give them that special treatment.
J-31 BurritoWell, paralay rates the RCS of the clean Rafale at 2.8sqm & that of the clean Su35 at 2.5sqm. In total contradiction to what Dassault says about the relative RCS of the Rafale & the Mirage 2000 I might add.
THEN he decides a combat at exactly the max clean range of the Su, knowing the Rafale will need 3 2000L tanks to reach that range (no no he never assumes the customer may opt for CFTs if it ever needed more range for air to air).
THEN he assumes the Rafale pilot is a retard who will just play into the strengh of his enemy’s plane, whereas in real life he will detect the Su’s radar way before the Su’s radar detects him & act accordingly.
’nuff said.
Nic
what’s the RCS of the Su-35S with external weapons?
lots of the Russian plane fanboys are screaming how the Rafale’s low RCS is negated by external weapons.. but forget that the Su-35S has to carry its weapons externally as well.
no doubt Su-35S has a range advantage on internal fuel but that advantage based on Paralay’s figures.. are not as large as I thought as the Rafale can still match the Su-35S with two external fuel tanks but still carry a similar amount of weapons as well.
where the Su-35S advantage should be is avionics.. there’s more room on the plane for more things.
what does it have thats better than spectra and AESA RBE?
J-31 BurritoMarch 31, 2013 (by Lieven Dewitte) – Brazil canceled its plans to spend $700 million on at least 12 new fighter jets to upgrade its air force. This is a blow for Boeing who offered F-18E Super Hornets.
In October 2003 Brazil announced its plans to replace 12 ageing Mirage fighter jets. The bidding process is now canceled because technological advancements would have rendered the aircraft being considered obsolete, the air force said in a statement.
The bidders included Boeing’s F-18E Super Hornet, Sweden’s Saab with the Gripen jet, and France’s Dassault Aviation’s Rafale.
Boeing spokesman Joe Stout noted that there are a lot of uncertainties involving foreign military sales. He said Boeing would be ready if Brazil were to decide to go ahead with a new competition.
The St. Loius plant has a dwindling backlog of F-18 orders, with production to end if no new orders are made. Last year, Boeing has cut hundreds of jobs from the program and said it may cut 1,000 more this year, reducing F-18 employment to about 4,000.
“The F-18 is still a very important part of our business here,” Stout said, adding that the company believes it is likely to obtain orders for 100 or more planes that would extend production through 2020.
The Pentagon had also offered to include AMRAAM missiles in the sale, which would have been Latin America’s largest military hardware purchase since the end of the Cold War.
On December 27th 2000, Chile bought 10 F-16 fighters from Lockheed Martin, marking the first sale of advanced U.S. warplanes to a South American country in two decades. The LoA was signed on February 2nd, 2002.
Defence Minister Celso Amorim, is opting to upgrade the country’s existing Mirage fighter jets to the same standards as the Rafale jet which is currently in operations with the French military.
J-31 BurritoNorth Korean fighters intrude into South Korean airspace amidst tensions
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Mar 31, 2013
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Two North Korean fighter jets briefly intruded into South Korean airspace Thursday off Yeonpyeong, the first such incursion in five years, the Defense Ministry said.
Seoul lodged a protest with Pyongyang over the incident, asking the Russian side to look into the case, the Foreign Ministry said.
But North Korean state media KCNA, reported the same day that the nation’s military denies its aircraft intruded into South Korean airspace.
According to the Defense Ministry, two North Korean MiG-29 fighter jets intruded into South Korean airspace for roughly a minute from 2:59 p.m. in an area southwest of Yeongpyeong Island, which sits near the northern tip of the border.
South Korean F-16 fighter jets were scrambled to the scene, while the North Korean jets flew southward over the Yellow Sea before turning back north, according to the ministry.
Pyongyang has also threatened to close a border industrial zone, the last remaining example of inter-Korean cooperation which gives the impoverished North access to $2 billion in trade a year.
The United States said it took Pyongyang’s threats seriously but cautioned that the North had a history of bellicose rhetoric. Russia, another a permanent U.N. Security Council member, urged all sides to show restraint.
Tensions have been high since the North’s new young leader Kim Jong-un ordered a third nuclear weapons test in February, breaching U.N. sanctions and ignoring warnings from North Korea’s sole major ally, China, not to do so.
“From this time on, the North-South relations will be entering the state of war and all issues raised between the North and the South will be handled accordingly,” a statement carried by the North’s official KCNA news agency said.
KCNA said the statement was issued jointly by the North’s government, ruling party and other organizations.
The Seoul government said there was nothing in the North’s latest statement to cause particular alarm.
“North Korea’s statement today … is not a new threat but is the continuation of provocative threats,” the South’s Unification Ministry, which handles political ties with the North, said in a statement.
On Friday, Kim signed an order putting the North’s missile units on standby to attack U.S. military bases in South Korea and the Pacific, after the United States flew two nuclear-capable stealth bombers over the Korean peninsula in a rare show of force.
U.S. officials described the flight as a diplomatic sortie aimed at reassuring allies South Korea and Japan, and at trying to nudge Pyongyang back to nuclear talks, though there was no guarantee Kim Jong-un would get the message as intended.
The two Koreas have been technically in a state of war since a truce that ended their 1950-53 conflict. Despite its threats, few people see any indication Pyongyang will risk a near-certain defeat by re-starting full-scale war.
There was no sign of unusual activity in the North’s military to suggest an imminent aggression, a South Korean defense ministry official said.
CALLS FOR RESTRAINT
White House National Security Council spokeswoman Caitlin Hayden said North Korea’s announcement followed a “familiar pattern” of rhetoric [ID:nL2N0CM05W].
Russia, which has often balanced criticism of North Korea, a Soviet-era client state, with calls on the United States and South Korea to refrain from belligerent actions, said a recurrence of war was unacceptable.
“We hope that all parties will exercise maximum responsibility and restraint and no-one will cross the point of no return,” Grigory Logvinov, a senior Russian Foreign Ministry official, told Interfax news agency.
France said it was deeply worried about the situation on the Korean peninsula while NATO Deputy Secretary General Alexander Vershbow said the alliance hoped “that this is more posturing than a prelude to any armed hostilities.”
China has repeatedly called for restraint on the peninsula.
The North has been threatening to attack the South and U.S. military bases almost on a daily basis since the beginning of March, when U.S. and South Korean militaries started routine drills that have been conducted for decades without incident.
Many in the South have regarded the North’s willingness to keep open the Kaesong industrial zone, located just a few miles (km) north of the heavily-militarized border, as a sign that Pyongyang will not risk losing a lucrative source of foreign currency by mounting a real act of aggression.
The Kaesong zone is a vital source of hard currency for the North and hundreds of South Korean workers and vehicles enter daily after crossing the armed border.
“If the puppet traitor group continues to mention the Kaesong industrial zone is being kept operating and damages our dignity, it will be mercilessly shut off and shut down,” KCNA quoted an agency that operates Kaesong as saying in a statement.
Closure could also trap hundreds of South Korean workers and managers of the more than 100 firms that have factories there.
The North has previously suspended operations at the factory zone at the height of political tensions with the South, only to let it resume operations later.
North Korea has canceled an armistice agreement with the United States that ended the Korean War and cut all hotlines with U.S. forces, the United Nations and South Korea.
(Additional reporting by Sung-won Shim and Jane Chung; Editing Rosalind Russell and Jon Boy)
J-31 BurritoNorth Korean fighters intrude into South Korean airspace amidst tensions
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Mar 31, 2013
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Two North Korean fighter jets briefly intruded into South Korean airspace Thursday off Yeonpyeong, the first such incursion in five years, the Defense Ministry said.
Seoul lodged a protest with Pyongyang over the incident, asking the Russian side to look into the case, the Foreign Ministry said.
But North Korean state media KCNA, reported the same day that the nation’s military denies its aircraft intruded into South Korean airspace.
According to the Defense Ministry, two North Korean MiG-29 fighter jets intruded into South Korean airspace for roughly a minute from 2:59 p.m. in an area southwest of Yeongpyeong Island, which sits near the northern tip of the border.
South Korean F-16 fighter jets were scrambled to the scene, while the North Korean jets flew southward over the Yellow Sea before turning back north, according to the ministry.
Pyongyang has also threatened to close a border industrial zone, the last remaining example of inter-Korean cooperation which gives the impoverished North access to $2 billion in trade a year.
The United States said it took Pyongyang’s threats seriously but cautioned that the North had a history of bellicose rhetoric. Russia, another a permanent U.N. Security Council member, urged all sides to show restraint.
Tensions have been high since the North’s new young leader Kim Jong-un ordered a third nuclear weapons test in February, breaching U.N. sanctions and ignoring warnings from North Korea’s sole major ally, China, not to do so.
“From this time on, the North-South relations will be entering the state of war and all issues raised between the North and the South will be handled accordingly,” a statement carried by the North’s official KCNA news agency said.
KCNA said the statement was issued jointly by the North’s government, ruling party and other organizations.
The Seoul government said there was nothing in the North’s latest statement to cause particular alarm.
“North Korea’s statement today … is not a new threat but is the continuation of provocative threats,” the South’s Unification Ministry, which handles political ties with the North, said in a statement.
On Friday, Kim signed an order putting the North’s missile units on standby to attack U.S. military bases in South Korea and the Pacific, after the United States flew two nuclear-capable stealth bombers over the Korean peninsula in a rare show of force.
U.S. officials described the flight as a diplomatic sortie aimed at reassuring allies South Korea and Japan, and at trying to nudge Pyongyang back to nuclear talks, though there was no guarantee Kim Jong-un would get the message as intended.
The two Koreas have been technically in a state of war since a truce that ended their 1950-53 conflict. Despite its threats, few people see any indication Pyongyang will risk a near-certain defeat by re-starting full-scale war.
There was no sign of unusual activity in the North’s military to suggest an imminent aggression, a South Korean defense ministry official said.
CALLS FOR RESTRAINT
White House National Security Council spokeswoman Caitlin Hayden said North Korea’s announcement followed a “familiar pattern” of rhetoric [ID:nL2N0CM05W].
Russia, which has often balanced criticism of North Korea, a Soviet-era client state, with calls on the United States and South Korea to refrain from belligerent actions, said a recurrence of war was unacceptable.
“We hope that all parties will exercise maximum responsibility and restraint and no-one will cross the point of no return,” Grigory Logvinov, a senior Russian Foreign Ministry official, told Interfax news agency.
France said it was deeply worried about the situation on the Korean peninsula while NATO Deputy Secretary General Alexander Vershbow said the alliance hoped “that this is more posturing than a prelude to any armed hostilities.”
China has repeatedly called for restraint on the peninsula.
The North has been threatening to attack the South and U.S. military bases almost on a daily basis since the beginning of March, when U.S. and South Korean militaries started routine drills that have been conducted for decades without incident.
Many in the South have regarded the North’s willingness to keep open the Kaesong industrial zone, located just a few miles (km) north of the heavily-militarized border, as a sign that Pyongyang will not risk losing a lucrative source of foreign currency by mounting a real act of aggression.
The Kaesong zone is a vital source of hard currency for the North and hundreds of South Korean workers and vehicles enter daily after crossing the armed border.
“If the puppet traitor group continues to mention the Kaesong industrial zone is being kept operating and damages our dignity, it will be mercilessly shut off and shut down,” KCNA quoted an agency that operates Kaesong as saying in a statement.
Closure could also trap hundreds of South Korean workers and managers of the more than 100 firms that have factories there.
The North has previously suspended operations at the factory zone at the height of political tensions with the South, only to let it resume operations later.
North Korea has canceled an armistice agreement with the United States that ended the Korean War and cut all hotlines with U.S. forces, the United Nations and South Korea.
(Additional reporting by Sung-won Shim and Jane Chung; Editing Rosalind Russell and Jon Boy)
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