That’s the one.
I think my first ever meeting with the phonetic alphabet, though I think they always used “En-nine-seven-five-bravo”
Moggy
I think it was just “975 Bravo” .
Now you gave me an excuse to watch a DVD tonight… š
For the full effect you have to wear sunglasses and ball cap, and hold a broom stick….bonus points for making “chopper” sounds.
Seriously, the last tinme I saw an episode broadcast was in the late 80s when BBC showed episodes during a Sunday morning kids show.
I was shocked to say the least.
For more info on whilybirds go to the TV section of Charles Lumden’s Bell 47 site… http://cellmath.med.utoronto.ca/B47/Bell_47.html
Putnum
I’m a huge fan of Putnum’s “U.S. Military Aircraft Since 1909”. The 1989 edition seemed to be in print for only 15 minutes. I bought mine as soon as it came out and never saw another one.
Are they as rare as I think they are?
Widgeon…
The official Grumman name was the Widgeon….
and it was an amphibian…not a true flyiing boat
CAF Glider
Here in the U.S., the CAF was restoring a WACO…perhaps to fly.
Anyone have an update on the project?
John Boyle
Thank you for your fulsome response. Without supporting technical data I just made my observations on the similarities between the Cessna family jets.
Mark
Mark,
Sorry if you found my relpy fulsome (which in my dictionary means “disgusting..by being excessive” ) but I wanted to keep the record straight by being clear that the Citation was not an outgrowth of the T-37/A-37 series. Judging from your posts, you seem to very influential with members and I’d hate for a misconception to spread.
There seems to be a lack of knowledge of forum members on U.S. general aviation aircraft, so I try to help with the discussions when I can. As an example, one of the fourm members wasn’t familiar with the T-37/A-37 family, despite it being in service with the USAF for about 45 years.
In your post, you used the word “commonality” which I took to mean parts sharing, if you’s said “family resemblence” them I’d agree with you about the general shape of the nose.
If I wanted to be really fulsome about Eurpoean cars…I could point out that the Jag XK-8 and the Aston Martin DB-7 share a basic platform, or the new Bentley Continental shares its engine block casting with the Volkswagen Pheaton…the list is endless. š
JDK,
Take a look at the front end of an early Cessna Citation business jet and see the family resemblance. My guess is there is commonality there. Nobody in my view would design from scratch, the pilots sitting so far apart on a trainer. The A-37 even has a spoiler around the nose to break the the aerodynamic lift of the broad snout.
Mark
Sorry Mark,
None of my various (5 or 6) Cessna histories mention the T-37 as a starting off point for the Citation…or Cessna Fanjet 500 as it was originally named.
The Citation was designed in the late 60s, more than a dozen years after the T-37.
I think the width of the T-37 cockpit can be explained by the engine mounting structure a few feet back…and perhaps concern about the width of the ejection seats. The T-37 is wide, but for years pilots who were too tall got dropped from fight training when it was discovered that fully suited up with helmets, the canopy wouldn’t close over their heads. A 6’5″ acquaintance in Officer Training School was pulled out of class one day, driven across town to Randolph AFB, and suited up. The canopy closed …just barely. The problem occurred because some people have longer torsos than others.
The spoilers you mention were added to the design after initial testing to impove (fix) spinning characteristics.
Around 1957-ish, Cessna did plan and build a mock up of a four seat business jet version in the T-37. Rather like a M-S Paris jet.
It also tried to interest the USAF in it. Photos can be seen in the A-37/T-37 in Action, published by Squadron.
I’d say they were a good buy, at Duxford in June I saw some from a used book seller and the typical going price was 15 pounds….
Having said that, I’d like a copy of Avro Aircraft since 1908, preferably the 1989 edition…anyone have one cheap? (It needs to be cheap when the exhange rate is factored in…) š
BASSETS DUDE!!!!!
My well fed, spoiled, usually sleeping, couch loving, basset hound.
Bassets have a certain tranquility about them.
Really mellow…they naturally have the attitude we all should strive for. š
That and the Seafire…you did have a good time in Montana!
Taken a couple of weeks ago, but is it ‘Historic’?
Mark
You bet! š The Lake Buccaneer…or LA-4….dates back to the 50’s as the Colonial Skimmer…a great plane and still in production.
Magister in combat?
Here’s a photo from a secret French jet program in WWII…a Magister getting the jump on a landing 262…
http://www.landings.com/evird.acgi$pass*65505732!_h-www.landings.com/_lā¦
Actually, a story about a ME-262 replica test flight.. š
AIRTRUCK…YUCK!!!
At the risk of offending all of our friends in the Southern Hemisphere…aka JDK
A finalist on any ugly airplane list has got to be the Transavia PL-12 Airtruck.
for those of you who don’t know what that is, remember the plane in “Mad Mad, Byond the Thunderdome”?
PS. The P-51D ugly? …don’t hate it because it survived in greater numbers than other types. š We need to be thankful any WWII types survived…lets pause for a moment to remember the great types scrapped to extinction by thoughless bureaucrats…Stirling, etc.
Looks like a French MB 5….crossed with the American XP-75.
For those of you unacquainted with the dog…I mean Eagle,
here it is…
http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/research/p75.htm
Eglin has sent some AC out…
Six F-15Cs from tyhe 33 FW are waiting out the storm at Dyess AFB, Texas. The Dyess PA office says another 4 went onto Nellis for some work with the F-22 program.
There was a documentary on Discovery Wings channel last night in the USA on the future of the RAAF…Unfortunaltly I missed it, but from the previews they were showing they had Aussies saying the RAAF is in trouble, the F-111 is old technology and the F/A-18 isn’t much better. And they showed tape of the JSF and F-22.
I can’t believe the F-22 is a real option given its price.