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  • in reply to: Repatriation???? #1604712
    John Boyle
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    “What’s mine is mine”

    [QUOTE=Dave Homewood]”My musing is based on a perfect world”

    Personally I think the whole idea is a little daft. But if such a ‘perfect world’ were to exist, my ‘perfect world’ would have the Sunderland return to New Zealand, where it served it’s military career, not the UK where it was apparently unwanted. Along with that we’d also take back Kermit’s 486 (NZ) Sqn Tempest, and 485 (NZ) Sqn’s Spitfires ML407 and MK432…..and….

    Oh well, at least NZ has recently had it’s Corsair and P40 returned. 🙂

    As for non-flying museum pieces, I think that it is a credit to museums that have taken the trouble to preserve aircraft even if they are not from their own country. In many cases it is pure luck that such aircraft have survived to this day. A case in point is the Zero in Auckland Museum. It could so eaily have been destroyed along with the RNZAF’s Bf109 and Albatross, which were sadly burned after WWII. The Zero was certainly under threat.

    I think such museums that have saved aircraft from destruction like this deserve the right to own it, and not have it taken off them and sent ‘home’ to Japan. That aircraft spent very little time in Japan but has had nearly 60 years in NZ – so it is ours – no-one else’s. Many museums in many countries will no doubt feel the same.
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    Dave it sounds like you’re saying “What’s mine is mine!”
    If NZ had an aircraft industry during WWII, and the sole remaining example of the “Kiwi Mk 12” or whatever were in a museum in the US or UK, I’m sure you’d be saying something different.
    The purpose of the discussion is to get us to think about where planes would bae best appreciated. I’m glad the NZ warbird community is thriving, but I’m even happier that the planes you are desperate to hold onto are common enough that you’re not keeping something from other places that have an equal (or greater) claim to them.

    in reply to: CJ-5 in California??? #2680425
    John Boyle
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    False

    😮
    Incidentally, I’ve read somewhere that
    there’s as many as 200 CJ-5’s in US inventory used for initial
    stage airforce pilot trainings. True or falst?
    😮

    False. When you say “US inventory” it sounds like the Defense Dept.
    The USAF and USN don’t have 5000 of anything!

    If you mean civilian, I’d day you’re about 4700 examples too high.

    PS. Love the penguin video.

    in reply to: Repatriation???? #1605788
    John Boyle
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    Where they belong….

    There are other American
    types which played an important part in the ETO which could have quite happily been substituted for a B-24 – a Marauder readily springs to mind.

    I agree it would be nice to have a B-26 there…too bad the U.S. scrapped virtually all of them, the USAF Museum example came from France (an Air France training airframe) to the USAFM where it certainly belongs.
    Of course let significant airframes stay where they served…the question I posed is more about one of a kind or extremly rare airframes, in other words if only one Lancaster survived, I’d say it belongs at Hendon rather than Paris, Sydney or Canada.
    And please don’t think I’m against Kermit Week’s huge collection…the quote is not from me and I don’t think the author meanty it as a slam…but it got me thinking about the issue. Anyone like Kermit who puts millions into saving historic planes deserves all of our thanks.

    in reply to: Large piston multi over London? #1606067
    John Boyle
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    Maybe…

    A lost FW 200 looking for targets on the Thames?

    in reply to: Repatriation???? #1606105
    John Boyle
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    In a perfect world…

    So it would have nothing to do with money, then?

    Flood.â„¢

    My musing is based on a perfect world…and to generate discussion.
    As historic aviation fans, I believe we need to be make sure rare airplanes are seen by the people who need to see them.
    I was in favor of moving the B-24 from Lackland to Duxford, few people appreciuated it there, and the glassfibre model serves its purpose. (Though I still wonder why the Liberator Cosford wasn’t moved).

    That may mean a Lincoln leaving Argentina and heading to the UK, or a Rufe or Tony leaving the U.S. and going to Japan.

    in reply to: The ones that never made it #2680479
    John Boyle
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    TSR2 canx…

    Well I thought not the F-4 but the F-111K series. It promesed the same persormance for less money, they canceled this order because it could not keep up with the promeses, then they developed the Tornado instead.

    Everything I’ve ever read is that the anti-defense “old” Labour (as opposed to Blairs “New Labour”) government cancelled it due to money. At least that the way Bill Gunston writes it in various books.
    The Canadians also blamew the US for the cancellation of the CF-105…another government that didn’t care about defense.

    I think it’s too easy to blame the U.S. for everything….especially when there’s no proof. But if you want to believe it, then I’ll tell you a story about UFOs in Area 51, and FDR & Churchill’s deal with Japan about Pearl Harbour!!!!

    John Boyle
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    Thanks to the Connie crew!!!

    As an American I want to say thanks to the Dutch crew and supporters who have saved this beautiful Lockheed. I wish more of my countrymen shared your goals and dedication. To many historic planes are being scrapped or grounded forever. It’s good to know one Connie will fly in Europe for years to come.

    in reply to: Aircraft Retirement: Ch-113 Labrador… #1606707
    John Boyle
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    Will Columbia buy them?

    I wonder if Columbia Helicopters will buy them. They’ve bouhght many of the 107s that have come on the market, including the ex-Pam Am machines that used to fly into New York City.. So if you ever wondered what happened to the helicopter you can see Clint Eastwood flying in at the beginning of “Coogan’s Bluff”…it’s now somewhere being used for logging, heavy lift and fire fighting.
    I had a conversation last year with a Columbia exec at the HAI convention said he indicated they’re always on the lookout for more airframes.

    in reply to: Spitfire finds new home..? #1610140
    John Boyle
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    No “Not invented here”..at least not much

    Something of the ‘Not Invented Here’ syndrome, I guess

    Isn’t that a bit harsh? After all they’ve flown the HE 111, various Spanish BF-109 variants, and Zeke/Kate/Val replicas.
    They put their money into U.S. planes the same way UK groups spend money on UK aircraft. And before you point to all the Mustangs in the UK, remember there are a lot more flyable Mustangs than Spitfires.
    And remember, a U.S. pilot paid more than $1 million to get the Seafire Mk. 47 in the air. A plane the CAF saved from an uncertain future.

    in reply to: Sunderland in Lake Windermere #1610232
    John Boyle
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    Will Someone Raise It?

    The 1999 forum suggests it’s in reasonable condition. Is there any update?
    Does anyone plan on raising it?
    (That is if there’s any money left after the Vulcan, various Spitfire rebuilds, and the perpetual Blenheim restoration/rebuild/repair.)

    in reply to: How many B29's are left? #1610564
    John Boyle
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    That reminds me of the licence-built Westland Whirlwind helicopters that were 5% heavier than Sikorsky’s, to some extent because British sheet metal was thicker than American!

    Also the Westland helicopters, unlike Sikorky built machines, had their cabin windows held in place by big rubber gaskets, rather like old cars. Anyone know why the change?

    John Boyle
    Participant

    A weighty issue

    From what I understand most new planes have a period of weight gain…nothing new.
    Here’s a probably true story from 40 years ago…faced with weight gain in his first jet, William Lear once told his engineers “I’d sell my grandmother to save a few pounds…”
    From then on, grandmothers became a standard of weight.
    Engineers would ask “How many grandmothers is this?”

    in reply to: Trip to USA. #1613513
    John Boyle
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    There is a small museum at Pueblo, Colo…some neat stuff including a rare B-47.
    Also Planes of Fame has (or at least had) a satellite museum at the Grand Canyon Airport.
    Heading south to Phoenix, there is Deer Valley about 15 miles North of the city. There was a contractor there flying F-8 Crusaders and A-3s on test work (now ended) but some of the planes may be there. And there is always good stuff at Meas’s Falcon Field the CAF Wing there has their B-17 there. Don’t forget the two airports at Chandler…Municipal and Memorial…Memorial is hard to get to but is the base for the firefighting DC-7s. Also, east of Chander is the old Williams Air Force Base…the nice static display collection went away when the base closed, but there is usually some weird stuff on the flightline. On the way to Tucson is the home of out to pasture airliners, Marana…but security is tight there as it’s a Army National Guard attack helicopter training facility as well as a training center for some security forces.
    And if you make it to Tucson, Pima County is a “Must see”. It’s next to the “boneyard” at Davis-Monthan AFB. Pima County has daily tours of the base for those who otherwise can’t get on the base.
    In Ogden Utah, north of Salt Late City, Hill AFB has a very nice museum/airpark.
    There is lots great sights to see…some of it even has nothing to do with aviation. Have a great time!!

    in reply to: Favourite Aircraft Designer #1613708
    John Boyle
    Participant

    Arthur Young

    Arthur Young…designer of the Bell 47…the world’s first certified helicopter.
    He was as much inventor as designer…his genius was in understanding the physics of helicopter flight and coming up with mechanical pieces to overcome the problems.

    The same could probably be said about Kelly Johnson and Igor Sikorsky…but Young did his work with a very small team.

    in reply to: The ones that never made it #2684239
    John Boyle
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    Free F-111s

    The F-111 buy cost £336 million – over three times what the lowest equivalent TSR2 programme cost was – but a third of the highest!

    But in the long run they wouldn’t have been able to get free (or nearly so) ex-USAF FB-111s and tons of spares when the USAF staopped flying the Aardvarks.

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