The Y-10 is interesting, never knew it existed. From those pictures it looks a bit like a combination of elements from the Boeing707 (wings) and the Convair990.
Back in the early 70’s it was widely reported to be a “reverse engineered” 707…the Chinese did buy some of the last ones off the Boeing line.
Growing up on USAF bases in the 50’s I suspect it was a C-47. While in Japan I remember seeing the “Baka” kamakazi on display at what was then Johnson AB.
But my biggest warbird thrill was after years of waiting, finally seeing a pair of fire fighting B-17s at Mesa Arizona’s Falcon Field in the summer of 1976.
I’ve rarely been so excited (aeronautically speaking) 🙂
Back then in the US, if you wanted to see some warbirds, there was a lot of travel involved.
A great plane…got my first T-6 ride a few months ago.
It was a beautifully restored “G” model backdated to look like it did when originally mafde as a “D”.
I was surprised by it’s fairly stiff controls.
A fun ride, kept the canopy open the whole time…
I for one believe it is as important to preserve the heritage of all nations in the UK as it illustrates the whole spectrum of aviation. There are many people working hard behind the scenes to preserve many different aspects of aviation, none of which are any more or any less important than each other.
To effectively tell somebody that they are working on the wrong aircraft because it’s not British will do nothing to encourage them or others from continuing in any form of preservation.
Yak 11 Fan, I agree fully….
If you look at the new $200 million National Air Museum outside Washington, it’s filled with plenty of foreign aircraft…everything from a JU-52 to Concorde.
You can’t tell a nation’s aviation story by being exclusionary…a half told history serves no one.
Phillip, I agree that at times it looks like U.S. aircraft are getting a lot of the U.K. preservation effort and money, but that doest’t mean other nation’s aircraft should be ignored. Like it or not, the B-17, B-24 and P-51 have a greater place in U.K. aviation history than many obscure native designs.
Ask most people on this forum and I’d wager they’d rather see a flying B-26 in the U.K. than a Vickers Virginia.
Even as an American I’d love to see a Sterling.
When the IWM or some other national group announces planes to build one, I’ll send a cheque. It’s only fair to pay back the Brits for keeping the Sally B alive.
The S-55/Whirlwind/H-19 is one of my favorites…one of my earliest memories is seeing a USAF rescue ship flown by a friend of my father.
In the 80’s I met a the manager of the Aero Club at a US base who had and flew an ex-RAF turbine Whilrwind. I didn’t get the number…does it still fly?
I guess it’s more a conflict of culture.
The rich countries against the poors. Of course most of the muslim countries are very poor, therefore their population stuggle to improve their life style.
I don’t see the poor Islamic countries going after the oil-rich ones….only western, Islamic pro-western and non-Islamic targets.
Sounds like it may be religion based to me.
How is killing kids or tourists is supposed to help them improve their lifestyles?
Rew: has anyone in the Islamic world condemmed this?
I have. But i have it only in german, i search a version in english
That’s good news. There may be hope yet.
The solution is elsewhere and erradicating the poverty around the world sounds like a good start to me.
I hate to tell you but most of the 9/11 terrorists were from Saudi Arabia, hardly an impoverished country. Bin Laden isn’t poor, and he’s not fightintg for the poor people of the West Bank.
The problem here isn’t about money…it’s about ideology, land, religion and people who want to impose their will on other people.
Has anyone heard any Islamic country or cleric condem this action?
I haven’t.
As long as many (notice I did not say all) Muslims look the other way, and a lot of westerners give tacit approval by not condemming this act and rationalizing it away, saying “they have their reasons”, this kind of outrage will happen again.
The combination of An-225 + Orlyonok was suggested as a quick-response rescue vehicle for (maritime) disasters anywhere in the world. Unfortunately, Thunderbirds were not go.
Sadly, there were too many strings attached to the deal.
[QUOTE=Snapper]There are countless deaths, including of children, in Chechnya, in Afghanistan, in Iraq, in Israel. Perhaps us wonderful people in the west should check that we are without sin before casting stones. I do not, I hasten to add, condone what has happened in the school – how could anyone possibly do so? Its indefensible – but don’t preach to me about the evil of Islam or the good of the west unless you understand the former and can see further than your nose on the latter. We live in bad times, and that’s from ALL angles.
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Maybe some stones need to be cast…this kind of attrocity HAS to be condemmed by all civilized people. The “lets see it from their standpoint” mentality only goes so far…the 1960’s kind of John Lennon idealism won’t work with people who see nothing wrong with killing. What’s next? call a world conference to better undertstand why Hitler murdered 6 million?
I’m sure we could ask a historian and find out he had some twisted reason too.
This is not an attack on Islam, and I’m not advocating “killing ’em all” or some other Rambo-esque solution. But as long as people are too busy blaming Bush, Blair, Putin, all Jews, all Muslims, the EEC, the UN, etc, etc, etc, instead of the people who actually did this, they’re going to get the message that the civilized world is too busy fighting among itself to stop them.
All it takes for evil to prosper is for good people to do nothing…or give up.
Very impressive lineup – nice to see an individual with such a love of aviation that they are willing to invest such a significant amount of their personal wealth into a collection that will extend the lives of some historical aircraft.
That being said, WHY OH WHY OH WHY do so many American warbird collectors insist on painting their military hardware in God-awful glossy paints? The result is atrocious looking and while I may be in the minority I am simply heartbroken to see such things.
I just don’t understand why a person would invest hundreds of thousands of dollars on a plane’s restoration only to muck it up with a horrible 15 thousand dollar paint job. With a bit of research and the correct materials you can get a much better result for the same of less money. The P-40 and the A-37 look great, and I realize that the F4U-5 and Seafire glossy schemes are accurate but some of the others are…….lacking.
The T-33 should be glossy..the Stearman too. The Jenny should be semi gloss..it looks good to me! The Mustang…well it’s painted silver, so that’s okay. The fact the T-6 has a creative scheme and the T-34 has tip tanks are small beans. And, it’s a fact that gloss paints are easier to maintain and provide better protection.
My logic is anyone who spends millions to own a warbird…and keep it in the air, well he/she can do whatever thay want with it…within reason. In my opinion, these schemes are okay. They may not be the one’s I’d use but then again, I don’t have a million for a Corsair or Mustang!
Sorry girls, you’re not my style.
Anybody got a shot of Emma Thompson and a Spitfire?
Diana Rigg (circa 1966 please) and a Lancaster?
I am the Walrus!!!
Koo, koo, Kachoo… 😎
Concerning the international fight against terrorism, it might be best if we remember a quote from the American Revolution…
“If we don’t hang together, surely we will all hang separately.”
Benjamin Franklin
This attrocity shows the kind of people civilized nations are facing.
Whatever your opinion of Putin, Bush, Blair, or position on the mideast, if something isn’t done soon by a united group of nations (not necessarily the UN), we’re headed for a new dark age.
I think there are plenty of MD-11s around, and they are still relatively new), and definately an affordable one. But somehow, Boeing’s order book suggests that the people in Seattle prefer selling new-built aircraft rather than updating something from the perfide MDD.
I’d like to know how many hours the MD-11s have on them…if the tankers are to remain a “cheap” alternative, they’re going to have to last a looooong time.
No sense buying something that’s halfway to the boneyard.
I’d like to see the USAF develop a “clean sheet of paper” design…use new materials and design for maximun efficiency. Heck, the 767 and MD-11 are both basically 30 year old designs. If we’re going to spend the money, lets do it right and have a tanker fleet that will last another 50 years.
At best, the 767s and MD-11s would be stopgaps.