Very sad news – RIP Sir.
In some respects little info, in the public domain, means no serious injuries. There is nothing I have seen, or heard, to suggest this is likely to be a complex case.
The AAIB Initial Report should be issued within a few months – with the Final Report not long afterwards.
I have just checked the AAIB W/Site – it was last updated 26 Mar 24. So out of timescale.
As I said above I checked FR24 it is the only one I use. I was after the last flight date – rather than the route(s) undertaken. So I was in the Flight History section. I only have the free 7 day data storage version.
The data I saw this morning has now gone. But I did observe 3 flights that day, in the data table. The 2 completed flights indicated T/O Northampton and return Northampton. Off the top of my head none of the flights were that long in duration.
It would appear it occurred last Monday (6 May) as witnessed on FR24.
Thanks Twinotter23.Mk.19,
As I stated in a previous message (to the early Dec 23 one) the RAF Chinook Lot 1 back history is a minefield of dis-information. Lot 1 = ZA670 – 684, 704 – 721.
Hence the generating of my report on the subject.
I’m uncertain whether to be surprised, or not, that ZA717s paperwork used the term “BV”. It is a confirmed Boeing product originally delivered Feb 82 – 2 years (almost to the day, after the DA name was changed to Boeing from BV).
My report shows X-Ref to a number of websites, books and Boeing original documents. Forty copies have gone out to organisations, authors, book publishers etc including Key Pubs, the RAFM at Cosford (ZA718/BN) and NAM.
It also covers the prickly subject of Serial/Serial No/or Tail No as the correct name for UK Military aircraft IDs.
As far as getting a reply to my Dec 23 e-mail I’m afraid I didn’t.
I’m pleased to hear that restoration of the Boeing Chinook (ZA717) is underway. Trying to obtain items/pieces from official sources Boeing, Boeing Defence UK, Gosport and the MOD for example was always going to be difficult – they are very tightly controlled.
The photo published on Key Pubs W/Site today shows a very nasty crease in the fuselage aft of the captain’s access door the likes of which I have never seen before. I have seen and worked with some very damaged Chinooks in my time – I can tell you.
I note the aircraft list on your W/Site still indicates “Boeing-Vertol”. I’m the guy who sent NAM a report on the matter in early Dec 23.
Keep up the good work at Winthorpe.
It is I’m afraid looking a little bleak. Not much research, if any, is going into providing a long-term solution.
Just down the road from me, at Cotswold A/P, (the former RAF Kemble) a number of projects are underway based around hydrogen and battery technology – but neither are compatible with vintage pistons.
Most modern jet engines can be operated on SAF. Indeed in the last year, or so, we have seen trans-Atlantic flights operate with SAF. As well as the RAF operating an A330 on 100% SAF.
Whilst on Jury service, about 6 years ago, I read an Institution of Engineering and Technology (IET) article on H4O. H4O is basically very fizzy water. The article went onto describe how the product could be used in internal combustion engines (as per motor vehicles). When used it does not produce any gas waste. Indeed an exhaust system is not required. Further, it has the advantage of almost no modification to the engine. However, a modified fuel tank is required – not beyond the wit of man!! Also, the delivery infrastructure (storage tank, bowser etc) would need some modification – also not beyond the wit of man.
Could that provide a solution?
It looks like you have tried to list the aircraft in alpha-numeric order. But N3200, P7350 and X4650 should all go in the list before AB910.
However, it is remarkable how many Spits are still airworthy across the globe today – not just in the UK.
It is reported to have had an engine fire shortly after take-off. I fear for the crew…
It is a Fairey IIIF fuselage frame and forms part of the reserve collection at Yeovilton. It is unidentified and not normally available for public inspection.
I hope this is allowed under the “rules”.
Lockheed Constellation N422NA on finals to Lakeland Linder A/P, Florida at 22:28 GMT/UTC on 9 Apr. When it was “spotted” on FR24. I think the Connie is one of the most stunning aircraft types ever built.
Hoverbird,
As Oracal says it was previously called the Aeronautical Inspection Department (formed in Dec 1913). Basically a QA organization for aircraft, aircraft systems and components being supplied to the Royal Flying Corp (RFC). There is a lot of information on the UK National Archives website. This site covers a number of areas, of their work, as well as a detailed history. It states that in 1967 the inspection department was transferred to the Ministry of Technology.
I guess, today, their remit comes under the Military Aviation Authority (MAA) at Bristol. The MAA is an “arms length org” within the Ministry Of Defence (MOD).
A little update: first arrivals are due 14 Apr 24. The government has announced the use/requirement will be for 3 ½ years. It had previously stated 3 years and before that 1 year. Last time the parties were in court the government stated the use would be for 3 years.
There will not be any formal planning application – merely emergency powers. WLDC have a different view of course. In the Autumn, WLDC were granted an appeal against the High Court decision to turn down their case. That has not been exercised yet with no agreed date for the hearing. I suspect the governments case will not be helped by a constant mission creep as far as an end date is concerned, and their refusal to accept the STOP notice which remains in force.
The site itself has a portacabin village built on the old Red Arrows pan with more portacabins parked on the taxiway nearby. It is thought that these will be moved onto the Red’s pan in due course. At least 1, if not 2 former barrack blocks have been converted into office accommodation. However, these are quite some distance, across the site, from the portacabins.
Oracal – sorry to hear about the COVID,
The library – we RAeS members, who are UK based, have our own access system to the on-line database. It is my understanding that we are also granted priority for visits and the loan of books and documents etc. There is a strict control on the number of visitors at any one time, I seem to think (or was that because of COVID restrictions?). I’ve never visited but I’ve used the database a number of times for research.
The RAeS is a supporter of the library which is run as a charity. I think Air-Britain (I’m also a member) were discussing, sometime ago, about “joining the club”. Maybe Key pubs might like to join – if anybody is in the office at this time, on a Saturday night?
I hope that has cleared things up…
Oracal,
I did say I believe the ARC closed down in 1945. I have just checked and it continued post that date with an increased role from 1945. I knew, in the back of my mind, there was a change relating to the year 1945. However, it was a minor point to the assistance I was hoping to provide.
A member of the Royal Aeronautical Society (as per Dosman and myself) is not the same as a being a member of The National Aerospace Library. Although membership of the former does infer rights to be a member of the latter. Which Dosman may, or may not, have been aware of.
I’m afraid Dosman has a tough task on his hands to locate the documents he needs.