Hi Rocketeer,
I have checked the 1990 edition of RAF Aircraft KA100-KZ999 (Air-Britain: James J Halley). Page 22 states: “KF624 SOC 25 05 50”. There isn’t any unit user details I’m afraid.
A number of that batch were allocated to the RN. However, a standard statement “to the Admiralty” can be seen in that situation. The book doesn’t comment any further in such cases. So it is safe to say the airframe was not used by the RN.
The book states KF532 was used by the RN thou’.
H
Actually fairly common during early period of WWII during transition from Hurricane to Spitfire. However, usually for a brief period.
H
Was the Thunder City example (XA553) not filled with concrete? Certainly one of the airframes had been so treated, and as a result was not moved following the closure of the org.
Many of the airframes moved on further with Lightning F6 XP693 arriving at Binbrook. W+R 29 states it is to be followed by T5 XS452. Although not associated with Thunder City Javelin FAW4 XA634 is also at BK.
H
Interesting project but I thought a few words as to how the military logistics system works today might be of interest….
From the mid 1960’s all Sect Ref Numbers were being “converted” to NATO standard numbers. These were referred to as NATO Stock Numbers (NSN’s). For example, an aircraft main battery Type Z was changed from 5J to 6140.
The full NSN would look something like this:
6140 followed by a two-digit code to indicate the nation of manufacture. 99 for the UK, for example. The final element of the NSN was digits from the original Sect Ref. This element must be 7 digits in length.
So, for example our Type Z battery Sect Ref 5J 1234 (manufactured in the UK) would become 6140-99-0001234. Other nation codes I can remember, of the top of my head, are 00 and 01 for the USA and 12 for Germany.
Each member nation has a central control office. They are responsible for creating and uploading new number data for equipment manufactured in their country. By network connection all the other nation’s systems are amended as well. The UK office is based in Glasgow.
So, somebody placing a demand for our Type Z battery NSN 6140-99-0001234 in Canada (on the Canadian military logistics system) would receive exactly the same item as somebody else requesting the same NSN in Belgium, for example, on the Belgian system.
However, the logistics of how our battery is transported to Canada, from the UK, is a whole new issue for another day!!
H
Thankyou, happy Christmas to you and all the other forum members – where ever you maybe.
H
They certainly could….
On Christmas Day I will be serving a traditional British Christmas lunch to a number of Ukrainian refugees. With two added ingredients Yorkshire Pudding and a large mug of “Builders Tea”.
A few of the young people have asked if they can bring their Polish school friends to the event. There is clearly a close bond between the youngsters of the two nations. So I know what you mean in that regard.
Anyhow, seasons greetings to you, and all at NAM. Keep up the good work in 2025.
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No probs..
Whilst it is well known, within the aviation community, that very aircraft flew in the Russian AF. I would have thought “the general public” would not be so aware.
The type was used by the polish AF, in the 1980’s throu’ to the 2000’s. That may have led the Trustee’s to make the decision re Polish markings that they did back in the day. Allied with the opportunity to remember the Polish AF personnel, of the past, of course.
I’m pleased to say I have learnt a lot in this conversation.
H
Indeed there is always something to learn….
I will bow to your greater knowledge of how different communities see or receive the exhibits.
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It is indeed a very emotive subject. I have seen it in its former Polish markings – but didn’t think that would be an issue for the Polish visitors. As I’ve said many times before, on this forum, Cold War history is my specialism.
“Based on a US Air Force airframe” I believe you mean an aggressor style colour scheme. A guide taking the young people around would have to explain that fact. They, the young people, wouldn’t know what an aggressor colour scheme is – but they will certainly recognise the red star markings.
It is for the Trustees to manage the situation going forward I guess.
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I understand the MIG 23 has been repainted as “RED 44” of the Russian AF.
A small question thou’ – could it not have been repainted in Ukrainian AF colours?
H
To a more conventional Skytrain / Dakota….
Aero Legends airframe N473DC is over-winter sheltering in the BBMF hangar at Coningsby. For those unaware it is ex USAAF 42-100882 and also ex RAF TS422. The airframe was heavily involved, with the RAF, in recovering gliders back to the UK for re-use post D-Day. It also saw action at Arnhem and the crossing of the Rhine during WWII.
ZA947’s return, from Duxford, has been further delayed and not now expected before the Spring of 2025.
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I accept that Trumper has “switched this off”.
This is the “Next Gen” IFF from my quoted Mod 228.
It talks about 2x antennas being utilised – the first time that comment has been made. Using two antennas has a certain logic.
My main concern was the antenna design itself which was not changed.
Having sat on MOD aircraft Modification Committees at least 60 times, in the past. I must question the clearance processes employed by my predecessors here. However, we are where we are.
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I don’t know whether you will get the same notice (or had the same notice) as us, in the West Country. But at about 19.00 last night c 3.5 million mobile phones suddenly came into life at the same time.
As it happens the BBC weather man was presenting the forecast live on air at the time – that his went off.
H
A bit of earth moving has brought up the fact that the Mod No was 228. That number is only relevant to the FGA9. I have seen RN GA11 airframes so fitted. However, would appear to be a different Mod No.
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I don’t want to get into a trade battle here. You have almost certainly had the benefit of Hunter Ground School in the past….
It does look very metallic as I said. Its position isn’t good – very poor reception, I would suggest especially head-on. To call it “Omni” (Omni-directional) is stretching the point somewhat!!
The F-16 uses top of the nose mounted antennas in a line in front of the wind screen. However, they are switched to provide best reception. That isn’t an option here it seems.
I have included a JPEG of a more modern IFF antenna it’s more “square” in design – much more capable and effective .
H