If anybody is still reading this thread….
I can recommend the International Bomber Command Centre (IBCC) as another place to obtain research data. They have a search engine on their website based around what it says on the tin.
They have won a number of awards, for their charity work, since opening in 2018 and are based on Canwick Hill overlooking the very fine Roman city of Lincoln.
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Thanks, I’m surprised that the Microsoft search engine didn’t find your document. I didn’t check National Archives directly – I was not to know that, that would have provided a “positive result”. Quite frankly I didn’t understand the status / baseline of your document. Perhaps an explanation at the start would have helped. We don’t all know everything!
Kew is on my list of places to visit when I can find the time. As is the National Aerospace Library at Farnborough where I have a few archived documents, written on this very keyboard.
All that said no other reliable source I checked complemented the content of Air 29/587. Plus some of the F540s I spoke about came from Kew, via a third party.
Kew, will accept documents for archive that indicate a historic value. They have no way of knowing the correctness or completeness of same. I always treat with caution, by cross checking, as well as an injection of the grey matter – no matter the source.
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Sabrejet,
I don’t know what your quoted document Air 29/587 is. I can’t find it anywhere. It seems to have led you in a certain direction ie ORTU being at RAF Thruxton. Have you used any other document(s) to back its evidence up?
I have used a number of sources (books and websites) to look for your document and evidence that the unit was at RAF Thruxton ALL TO NO AVAIL.
What you see in my previous posts is my thought processes being presented in script. That is how I work. You can see my answer and how I got there. In other words my workings out.
In Dec 1943, the early D-Day plans would have been a very closely guarded secret. Only for very senior people to know about. Juniors wouldn’t have been afforded that knowledge. Hence my use of the term “that is a fact”. You could also say why would you / they move a unit to another location in the middle of tight program of events – if they did move of course. Such an action could be seen as bad management.
As a side issue but never the less, an example, I have spent the last weekend going throu’ 1500x F540s relevant to the Battle Of Britain. The amount of obvious errors is frightening. I have had to use the grey matter to sift through the clutter or chaff to obtain the true picture. However, I accept these documents were created in the “thick of war”. Just as your document Air 29/587 presented data or report possibly was.
At the end of the day my narrative is based on what I find when I go looking. Everything needs to be X-checked to ensure the true picture is emerging. Rather than just relying on one single source.
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Could it be the unit moved from Thruxton to Hampstead Norris for a role change during Mar / Apr 1944. The word “formed” to me means fully established so hence the slip of a month or so (to move) is not unreasonable. Although, I don’t have any evidence, here, to support their being at Thruxton in the first place.
Any activity at Thruxton, in Dec 1943, would certainly not have been in support of D-Day – that is a fact!! Best capable team to do the job / role, at such short notice, and Hampstead Norris the best place to do the training I guess.
The surprise to me is 27 Sqn – but that is a personal thing.
The Albermarles are from the Operational Refresher Training Unit (ORTU). Involved in pre-D-Day training. About 20 of the aircraft type were on strength at the time. As somebody has already said the unit was formed 1 Apr 1944 – which makes the task a bit of a rush job. It was never given a “unit number plate”. The correct title for the station, back in the day, was RAF Hampstead Norris.
The ORTU is still around today – its called 27 Sqn (Chinooks) – small World!! It “arrived” there via 240 OCU.
Pre 1944, the stations role was operating Wellington’s in the European theatre and preparing same for ferry to the Mid-East.
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It is meant as tongue-in-cheek!! However, the search engine genuinely did return that answer.
It is an inside job..
An IT geek working in the back office at HQ. I put Vahe.D into Microsoft Search Engine the top reply was “Historic Aviation Key Pubs”. I’m no IT expert but that does for me!
No probs,
I was Air Electrical and later Avionics. So was in and out of various Battery Bays as a “junior”.
Later flew a desk in an Eng Ops – so had oversight of their activities.
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I started my first posting, in the RAF, in 1975. As seen elsewhere in this Forum.
In my experience Battery Bays would close for the night at about mid-night.
I never in my time 1975 – 1999 ever saw any type of charging outside of working hours. I think OC Eng Wg would have something to say if it did. In most cases the Duty Electrician was a day shift duty and on call through out the evening and night. Not to be confused with the Battery Bay team manning which I believe had their own shift pattern(s).
Different stations, in my experience, had different policies re the storage of fully charged Trolley Accs. But generally speaking each hanger would be entitled to one with two or three spares to cover re-charging and routine maintenance. Hence RAF Scampton which had four hangers had an entitlement to seven.
Quite frankly having spent many years using Trolley Accs. I would draw the following conclusions.
Very impressive.
I’m certain “The Bloody One-Hundredth” also flew in the Mach Loop earlier in the Summer or Spring this year. However, didn’t see any pics of it.
Edit – it happened 9 May 24. Details on Key Aero website Military News Archive.
P-51 Mustang, G-MRLL, on take-off from Cotswold A/P (Kemble) and headed South today at 12.15 UTC.
During a typical working day the first jet would up by 08-15 and we often flew until 01-00 the following morning. With the nightshift hoping to fix all the snags in order that the next days flying program can be met. Busy times!!
I had forgotten about ‘937 – she didn’t “come back” that day. She was a 11 Sqn jet – I was on 5 Sqn.
trumper – I’m afraid I don’t do Facebook.
Accident English Electric Lightning F6 XS937, Friday 30 July 1976 (flightsafety.org)
A mate of mine, who lives in the Cambridge area, says he saw 6 Tucano’s on three trucks also Eastbound on the A14. He can’t remember the date but it was either 10 or 11 Jun 24. Something strange going on!!
There was a few red faces among the painters and finishers team – it was put down to the surface not being prepared correctly.
I can’t get the link to work – it is returned with the message content isn’t available.