Finally had the leisure to go down there.
Couple of pictures below.
Taken with RAZR v3i.

You must be a pretty busy guy when considering you`re a Muscovite. Anyway, was it worth visiting? I see that some things have been added since my visit as barriers all around exhibits. It`s pity that you can`t get closer to planes. Nevermind, good pigeons always return back home. 😉

Really? Should be pretty easy for you to prove then shouldn’t it? Tally up the F-15 and F-18 airshow losses over the last 15 years and compare them to the Fulcrum and Flanker losses.

Now you are being childish again, wake up buddy!!, I`m talking generally about airshow crashes with human casualties, try to use google.com.

Martinez

Until we have more information this thread really isnt going anywhere other then a war between the believers and non-believers.

Ok, lets see things straight, this photo shows to me a much better evidence that UFOs actually exist than those tiny smudgy Su-27 slides from the Groom lake. When there were no credible observational evidence available, UFOs would not even be considered 😎

Given that any picture taken at Groom Lake even on the ground is from a distance of at least 15-20 miles away or so, what is to say that these weren’t taken there?

Taking pictures of structures, buildings or static objects at 20miles differ to great extent from spotting planes, flying objects. You wont be able to spot the aircraft with your own eyes, not even find it with a telescope, because telescopes have pretty small field of view.

I hereby demand that any and all future pics come with a certificate of authenticity that clearly and explicitly state the following:

Yes, you making an idiot from yourself by believing all that S****T lying around the internet. Anyone want to discuss the Roswell incident 1947? 😀 😀 😀

I’m merely pointing out that Flanker and Fulrum pilots (or Russian and Ukrainian) seem to skate closer to the edge than Western pilots in airshows. Witness the number of crashes you see. I don’t think the aircraft are worse, I don’t think the pilots are worse, I simply think they tend to fly closer to (or AT) the ragged edge of safety.

Every year, people are killed at US airshows, so please do not come up with this “skating close to the edge” nonsense. When the crash happens, it doesn`t matter which type of aircraft they have flown, because people died.
We should at least differentiate them with respect to their reasons(the human factor/machine failure). I have a feeling there’s a lot more insanity at US airshow than you realize. You could mention the Lviv disaster the most horrific airshow crash in history, caused by a flagrant violation of airshow safety regulations. Hopefully this never happens again anywhere, but as we know the human being is capable of making the same mistake again.
P.S. some of my own personal remarks on airshow safety. Since 1990 I`ve been visiting airshows regularly all around the Europe. The “Frecce Tricolori” aerobatics team which was according to me the one of the most undisciplined airshow performer (flying across the display line) has been entirely outclassed by the pride of the US Navy, the well known Blue Angels which I saw for the first time in june 2006 at Leeuwarden, the Netherlands.
The Blue Angels were flying across the display line almost constantly a few hundred meters above spectators. Even the “Fat Albert” C-130 aircraft flew over a crowd. I`ve been talking with a couple Dutch guys, they were shocked about it too, damn Yankees!
I found this saying on the web and it fits to you perfect….
How often, do you see a Mote in your brother’s eye, while you do not see a whole beam in your own eye.

Well I dont know about you but It leaves me sad when the aircraft that I’m interested in seeing isnt going to perform anything close to its edge if the pilot flying it is to be believed. ……. ( specially when i’ve allready seen raptor many times at SD , at tyndall in hangars , and on flyby’s)

What do you mean, you are allowed to be on the base during a regular “raptor” flight day? Geeez….it is a million times better, what would I do to be there too……..I envy you. Remember, no one is going to show the edge on the airshow, it never happens!

M

..Bloody Russians….. 😀 😀 Anyway, this is a case for “Mig-23MLD”, hope he sees this thread…. 😉