Oh, how foolish to think the TVC cant be switched off…think about pilots retraining from other aircrafts to fly the SU-35 TVC assisted take-offs, landings, high alpha maneuvers, pilots have to get used to it, TVC enables a different level of flying, but it also demands a high level of skills and attention from pilots.
There has to be a fundamental function to switch it off quickly and easily, not to mention in case of malfunction and emergency. You always pointing to MAKS Zhukowsky photos and videos, where russian elite test-pilots fly and demonstrate high performance aircrafts, thus they keep TVC switched ON.
Jo, thanks for the video, simply proves my point. Haavarla, my friend are you blind?
An illustration with screenprints from the video linked above.
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Discussing this event with some friends of mine, one was even mentioning the possibility of a hidden glitch inside the very complex Su-35 FBW,:love-struck: not a pilot error. Told him similar written here, shortened approach, higher landing speed, extreme movements with rudder and stabs above the rwy bcs of a sideslip, pilot fckd it up, but still there was something bugging us meaning the violent roll movement to the left when aircraft bouncing off the rwy. Due to your stubborness and pointing to the TVC, I looked those few pictures available again and voila.
We completely forgot that the SDU-427 allows TVC assisted take-offs and landings as well, but assuming it is not usually recommended. Pilot forgot to turn it off or deliberately used it, but overestimated his flying skills.
Pictures below are from the website https://www.flickr.com/photos/27rus/sets/72157646109709609/ also the video http://www.odnoklassniki.ru/video/5651367178 confirms as well, pilot landed with TVC on, what could make a terrifying experience when landing with a sideslip using too much rudder input, then the TVC nozzle is turning to the direction of the rudder creating violet roll momentum when bouncing off the runway.
Pilot flying the blue camouflaged SU-35 on the airshow was landing with TVC off, note the nozzle alignment.
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A&D, No. Experimental components/stages of the Type 30 are expected to commence flight trials this year and a full-on prototype engine available next year*. Next to nothing is known of the FGFA’s definitive engine, and as concrete details are some way off -best refrain from speculation.
Djcross, informative as always and thanks for the ‘missing piece’ to the surge theory.
Haavarla, the latest buzz on the intertubes is swaying back to electrical power unit/cable fire (not directly engine related), my fingers are crossed for this outcome- otherwise the ‘engine surge theory’ could pose major design headaches.
Usually surge/stall is leading to engine fire due to insufficient cooling of turbine blades, TIT temperature is quickly rissing, they deform, burn, melt, hiting each other, bummm….pilot has to hit quickly the fuel shut-off valve and engage the fire extinguishing system, otherwise he has to bail out. Something similar could happen in the compressor stage as well due to vibrations and shocks waves travelling forward/backward, rotor/stator blades hit each other, debris are likely to perforate anything around, outer skin or the fuel tanks, then the fire is difficult to stop. The same happened to our Mig-29 on the runway before take-off.
I`m not saying surge/stall shockswaves can`t damage the inlet structure, but if it happens there is a serious design problem, bcs there is never a “single wall” between the inlet and adjacent integral fuel tanks. Do not think it is common damage at all.
Anyway, If you notice those two barrels under the T-50-5, it seems they still had enough time to drain flammable liquids from burning aircraft as well…..
P.S. what I`m still wondering about is that right engine cowlings are not touched by fire, the fire was spreading from mid section skin towards the right engine….
Speculative and probably based on EF integration*, but here item 61:
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7351/12853401674_46724decbf_o.jpg
*http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/91XmmhWO1ML._SL1500_.jpg
I noticed that black rectangle panel or whatever it is long time ago, but do not think it is hidding doors for the VSU (APU generating electric power for on-board systems), hopefully will be corected if I`m wrong.
APU doors should have been made from heat-resistand materials, stainless steel,….. as exhaust gases are hot.
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Ok, sorry, nothing confirmed yet, but the sentence you quoted in your link stated “По предварительным данным, причиной инцидента стал отказ одной из силовых установок.” , then I was thinking about engines, but I wont speculate more.
I read that a smoke above the right intake was visible during taxiing after landing “над правым воздухозаборником, затем произошло локальное возгорание” , interesting is that the left levcon seems to be more damaged/melted than the right one, also judging from close-up pictures posted here. Am I correct?
Anyway, APU`s , power supply units, starter-generators GTDE whatever name you give it should be located near/between engines, far away from the fire damaged skin areas judging from this one-sided picture.
http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?118951-Pak-Fa-news-thread-part-21&p=1978539#post1978539
Confusingly ‘силовая установка’ is a term used for both powerplant and APU.
there is a clear difference, you have to watch the first word “Вспомогательная” силовая установка meaning “Auxiliary” power unit, when used without, usually it should mean the powerplant.
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Esteemed Martinez, scroll down to bottom:
my apologies if they already explained the reason for the fire, the APU(Вспомогательная силовая установка.) malfunctioned then, right?
that is correct, it seems from pictures above the fire was large and too intense and highly likely the airframe structure/bulkheads have been affected by heat, no chance they will spare time(not talking money) to repair it. If they claim the PAK-FA programm schedule wil not be affected, that is the only one way to do it.
M
Jo, that means one of the engines malfunctioned (силовая установка=engine) , power supply unit sounds too much electrically to me….8)
Nice shot of Ethiopian Mi-171 (or Mi-17 1V – what is the difference between these two by the way?)
funny, I thought at first the picture has been flipped horizontally, but the tail number is now correct. I;m not familiar with small doors with steps on the right, no heating unit above or below and no box for the FDR system near stabilizers, but it seems to have an equipment for cutting wires during flight, what I forgot? The standard Mil armour plating in pilot cabin is present as well as the russian ASO-2V Chaff/flare dispensers. In general nothing unusual, Mi-17 helicopters are still built in large numbers and variations.
M
I believe the wisest course of action is to cannibalize the good components off of #55 and put them into a newly built airframe.
By the time the engineers perform their damage assessment, disassemble the jet, design unique replacement parts, fabricate/install the new parts and re-test/re-certify, a new airframe could have been built.
that is correct, it seems from pictures above the fire was large and too intense and highly likely the airframe structure/bulkheads have been affected by heat, no chance they will spare time(not talking money) to repair it. If they claim the PAK-FA programm schedule wil not be affected, that is the only one way to do it.
M
What is going on here….
from Mi-171A2 brochure and others I took there….
I thought the upgrade had been quite sucesful, and RSK MiG guaranteed 70% availability of the Fulcrums.
in reality it is rather a disaster, the availability went like 0 to 30% last few years, wonder where have you heard such nonsense that the upgrade was sucesful?
Thanks for the info guys, so the radar on MiG-29AS is not upgraded, i assumed to be the case as in some sources it’s called MiG-29SD. Seems it’s a re-used designation (“old” SD has N-019ME radar, IFR, R-77 etc.), what does the “new” SD stands for anyway? Thanks.
the Mig-29AS radar has been planned to be overhauled/slightly upgraded sometime ago , but bcs of of poor airworthiness there are bigger problems that need solving first. The WZL-2 N019EA low cost upgrade is reputedly giving twice the range on big rcs targets and much higher reliability, but with the same missile combos as baseline 9.12A. Hoping to receive some info about the upgrade from service soon, but for air patroling tasks only it is more than enough. The N019 radars have already been modernized the same way in Ukraine and Belarus.
The SD stands for Slovatskaya Dorabotka or better “fckd up” Slovakian Upgrade. Some years ago, russians even tried to sell the slovakian Mig-29 upgrade to Poland, but failed as the WZL-2 already had very bad experience with RSK technical support. Anyway, did you know that RSK MiG stuff is forbiden to enter Polish Mig-29 airforce bases?:D
No idea, to be honest. Maybe the same type made of thinner material which enables few liters more?
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Polish WZL-2 designed the whole Mig-29 modernization package itself, russians were allowed for certification purposes only. We bought the modernization package from Ruskaya Avionika+RSK MiG and the avionics upgrade is still not working correctly after several software upgrades, problems with radios, navigation, gps malfunctioning, freezing MFI displays, IFF not even capable as the old Parol system, high failure rate …..etc, really the upgrade is not worth a penny. And I`m still not talking the Russian regular maintenance, spare parts delivery and technical support, it is terrifying….true, the problem does not lie on the russian side only.
Is the Pope a Catholic ????
Yes – I’ll be there……
In the meantime – here’s some photos I took of the 1st August display team J-10’s at Zhuhai in 2010…..
Ken
when I see the only english Pope taking pictures from the Zhukovsky opposite RWY side, I will light tap your shoulder and introduce my self ….:eagerness:
looking forward to see the airshow with chinese 1st August display team,
martinez
thanks for your insight, keeping fingers crossed that the book is out asap. I imagine how tough it must have been finding and sorting information about military aviation especially when talking about chinese, hats down to you.