Comparing he F-22 and the JF-17 is beyond the point of idiocy, computing power, EW suite and Radar TRMs are the first categories that come to mind and the F-22, simply put, completley smashes the JF. :p
Thunder is not 5th generation.
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There’s no way the JF is any better than an old 4 th gen fighter e.g. an Irainian F-14
LMAO 😀 bring Typhoons to Pakistan and see how it does there against Thunders in mock combat 😎
LOLOL , Are you actually serious!? There is no category in which the Thunder betters the Tiffie areodynamically, it’s STR and ITR would make the Thunder’s look laughable. Can the JF even supercruise ?….
would Thunder’s slanted intakes result in a better roll rate as compared to Griffin’s vertical intakes?
Thunder http://pafwallpapers.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/jf-17_thunder_navigation_lights_02.jpg
Griffin http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-lgDr14uQH8w/TZNdVNHRW5I/AAAAAAAABsg/QzD5JCl-J1I/s1600/saab_gripen.jpg
No, roll rate is dictated by a few areas; Instability, Cg, wingloading, Cl, etc.
This is an area where the Gripen is vastly superior to the JF, it’s delta canard config will provide a better STR and ITR, it’s by far the better dogfighter.
Also any Block 60 F-16, wrt EW, would kick the snot out of the JF-17.:D
Speaking of light-hearted, here is the first of a four part look at Eurofighter World:
http://hushkit.wordpress.com/2012/05/09/eurofighter-world-undressed-part-1/
Thanks, I look forward too ‘How to smash Rafale’ and ‘an interesting soucre of the Swiss report’.
have you SEEN Thunder’s LERX? They are HUGE I swear! 😀 Thunder’s LERX are way bigger than YF-17’s and are roughly the same proportional size as Super Hornet’s.

Looking around, you’re right that they are bigger than that of the F-16 but not by much. As for the claim the JF-17 LERX is in the same league as F/A-18 that’s just silly, the size of the F/A-18’s LERX may look the same size but you’ve got to consider the size of the F/A-18 compared to it’s LERX, that’s what may make it look the same size but it’s not. Again it’s the same case for the F-16, JF-17 LERX comparison, But F-16 isn’t that much bigger than the JF-17 for their to be a visually misleading difference. BTW hadn’t you said that IRST is ‘fading away again’? Now that really is funny…
Thunder’s design is not F-16 esque. it’s essentially a single-engined Super Hornet with bump intakes 😀 Griffin’s traditional air intakes present large flat surfaces between the inlets and the fuselage, as can be seen in the frontal shot of Griffin above, and these flat surfaces contribute to a large portion of its frontal drag
The JF-17 is essiantially a slightly aerodynamically evolved F-16 with DSI, it’s nowhere near the F/A-18 Super Hornet or even earlier versions(YF-17 included :diablo: ) it’s LERX is tiny when compared to the F/A-18 but roughly similiar to the F-16’s LERX, it’s limited to 8G while the F-16 is 9G. When compared to any F/A-18 variant it’s tiny and even smaller than the F-16 and the JF-17’s engine produces less thrust than the F-16’s. Please, tell me, when is the JF-17 getting it’s IRST?! :dev2:
C’mon hasn’t one of the moderators noticed it’s the same guy, ban him.
Thunder’s aerodynamics is way better than that of Griffin C.
Lol. And what makes JF-17’s F-16 esque design better than Gripen’s canard-delta config…:diablo:
the students in question are just learning how to fly and land the typhoon and the rafale. They are not yet ready for this kind of demanding dogfights. As simple as that. Transformational squadron is mostly about learning how to fly a fighter jet. Once you join your operational squadron they will teach you how to become an “operational” fighter pilot which take generally a full year. It’s a bit like asking a young student learning to read, count and write to take a very difficult exam for instance. And even then this “student” would not be risking his life and his aircraft.
Besides it is clear that the british and french pilots are too old to be rookies.
Please stop saying this, the photo does show quite a few of them being below 30,it’s a conversional unit meaning they’ve had previous experience on other aircraft not meaning they’re experienced flying the Typhoon before. It’s called Dissimilar Air Combat Training, if they had wanted to show off or train their more experienced pilots they would’ve just sent No.3(f) squadron to Solenzara like at ATLC.
That the results can be the other way round has been demonstrated as well. At the end of the day there are a lot of factors affecting the outcome of such battles.
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To quote him:
In the Corsica event, we are talking of the RAF here.
Yes, but are we talking about the experienced ex-F3 mates with thousands of hours of air-to-air experience, or are we talking about ab initios, ex Jag mates, or even the crossovers – the Typhoon force includes pilots who are ex helicopter, ex C-130 loadmasters, and even ex F3 navigators. OCU instructors, or OCU students?.
Indeed either you live in denial or you have not the slightest idea of what is a transformational squadron.
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You claim they were experienced , Jon lake claims otherwise.
I know who’s more neutral and has sources to back their claims…..
Denial is a wonderful thing.
Bloodshot,
Both RAF and AdA pilots who met at Solenzara were all experienced instructors at their respective transformation squadron (rafale and typhoon). There is not a single chance that they would send young pilots in international exercises who just finished their fighter qualification on Hawk or Alphajet and that barely know how to fly and land a rafale or a typhoon and with not a single operational qualification (that you usually get at your squadron).
Besides the picture of british and french pilots together clearly show that they are in their 30’s rather than their 20’s. (I have the original picture)
There’s a reason why it’s called Dissimilar Air Combat Training. The photo you show is of a two-seat Typhoon trainer! And lastly they were students part of a Operational Conversional unit.
There are pilots on the Typhoon force who have the backgrounds described, and lots of Jag and Harrier pilots who have never had an aircraft with a radar, but I have never heard that the ex-F3 Nav, nor the ex C-130 Loadie were involved in the Solenzara exercise.
It had been said by Jon Lake over on Starstreak; the typhoon force were made up of ex helicopter, ex C-130 loamasters and even some ex F-3 navigtors. He also said they were OCU students.