Hey is this Ferret located in KC?
Very nice pictures, but even that couldn’t get me to drive down to Wichita! No sign of the Italian KC-767 that is undergoing conversion down there at Boeing?
That Kalitta 747 has been there a long time. It was being overhauled a number of years ago, then the work just stopped.
And Google, that is a B-17G. Note the chin turret.
Every KC-10 has probe and drogue on the centerline, and some KC-135s and KC-10s have wing pods too. The KC-135 can be drogue equipped, but you have to choose one or the other, and hook the drogue up manually to the -135s boom before takeoff.
USAF going probe for fighters also enables them to get gas off of all kinds of different aircraft… KC-130, Tristar, VC-10, even KS-3s from the Navy.
I completely disagree. The role that the MD-11 would fill would be for a large tanker, as it is larger than even the KC-10. The initial requirement is for 100 aircraft, so that the USAF can have 100 booms in 100 different places. Eventually all 500 or so KC-135s nee to be replaced. With only 196 MD-11s in existence, and after boeing destroying the tooling for the line no more in the future, the MD-11 is a wholly inadequate tanker. Remember there are less than 40 MD-11s in storage currently, with more being snapped up by cargo operators by the day.
The MD-11 also takes up substantially more ramp space than a 767, or even an A-330. This affects how many tankers you can base at any one location, and how many aircraft you can send in strike packages, as USAF planes get gas one at a time.
he interesting thing is the USAF (as quoted in the JSF thread) requesting a refuelling PROBE on their F-35As. This is highly unusual, but it does enable more than one aircraft to get fuel from a tanker if it is equipped with wingtip hosereel units. The only downfall of this is that the hosereels deliver far fewer gallons per minute to the reciever than the probe method, but that should only be an issue when gassing larger aircraft anyway (B-52, E-4, etc.)
I actually emailed an expert here in Kansas City at the Airline History Museum, who fly the Save-A-Connie bird. this is the reply I got:
The tip tanks on the Connie are removable. TWA had tip tanks on about half of their Super G’s. They were installed so that the aircraft had the fuel capacity to make the Atlantic west bound crossing in the winter against the stronger winds. Eventually when the jets came into service all the tip tanks are were removed.
Foe Geldersma
President Airline History Museum
USAF going for a fighter mounted probe instead of using a boom+recepticle configuration? Has this been done since the F-100?
Ooooh!
http://abcnews.go.com/wire/World/reuters20040917_2.html?INTERNATIONALad=true
Now observersseem to have been brought to a different site. In the mean time, South Korea says the thing that left the mushroom cloud and set off seismometers wasn’t really a blast… Is this strange to anyone else?
Hello? did anyone read my last post. Here’s a link:
http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/history/q0012.shtml
3) Modified mission (optional; indicates that a type originally designed for the mission indicated by its “basic mission” code has been modified for a different mission); includes the A, C, E, F, O, P, R, S, T, and U mission codes, plus:
D = Drone control
H = Search and rescue
K = Tanker (K for Kerosene)
L = Cold weather
M = Multi-mission
Q = Drone
V = VIP or staff transport
W = Weather observation
The USAF has already stated that their engine choice for the KC-767 would be the PW-4000 series engine. This will also be used on the E-10, and is currently in use on the C-17.
Actually the “K” makes some sense. Supposedly, the “K” designation was assigned to the tanker, because of the makeup of what it carried. It is rumored to be short for “Kerosene” which is supposed to be pretty close to jet fuel in composition.
Didn’t I read somewhere a few days back that a British diplomat was supposed to take a tour of the area afterr aising a ruckus? He was the one that informed the DPRK foreign affairs office, as they had not even known about it till he asked! In any case, we still haven’t gotten an on-the-ground report back from anyone yet.
Heheh verrrrrrrrrry windy at the moment… 40mph or so gusts. Hopefully by the end of the month I willbe employed in a museum and out of this state! Colorado, I can’t wait to see you!
Steve: I have a friend that lives in Upper Ferntree Gulley, I think that is pretty near you.
I still have 4 invites left. I might just set up another one as a junkmail box.
Heh, if they had one RD-33, it would probably look a lot like the F-20. An enlarged F-5, now that is something I’d like to see!
I thought the Herk turned 50 this year. Or am I on crack again?
Ah OK it’s 30 years in Canadian service. Very nice article with very nice photos! 😀
J-79, well that would offer a little more sprighty performance than J-85, what with 3 times the thrust.
Do you think these engines are completely indigenous, or perhaps they may have had some russian/ukranian/chinese help?
Grumblings on other message boards suggest that this Shafaqh fighter is nothing more than a pretty wooden mockup. Have we seen it fly yet?