Scar>Located one individual that has supposedly done “incredible things”. He has done “incredible things” solely because of his very specific faith, no doubt.
Don’t put to my mouth the words i never said. What i’ve actually said is that one arrogant kid shouldn’t think he’s some sort of an intellectual and bash others for their beliefs and traditions calling them “crap”. Somehow i think Raushebakh was much smarter than any of you, pseudo-intellectuals.
ScarComplains about respect, lmao.
In contrast to the great culture of my country, and its traditions i have zero respect to young arrogant idiots who first expose their disrespect and arrogance and then are very proud by themselves, thinking they’re progressive intellectuals just becuase they called something a “crap”. Come back when you achieve at least 1/100 of those incredible things which have been done by the people like Raushenbach, who was an Orthodox Christian and would describe you in the same words as i did – young arrogant idiot.
ScarLook let me cut ahead and make it clear- I don’t think you are an idiot for harboring religious views, or for putting weight on the beliefs of your ancestors.
What I see as silly and ridiculous is the inclusion of water spraying superstition on military equipment, by a retrograde cult organization. That’s it. I have more respect for your heritage than I do the modern day Orthodox Church.
As i’ve said before, your aggressive atheism doesn’t make you any progressive. All what you do is exposing your bad manners and disrespect.
The issue here is “respecting” their heritage is leading to a real backwards movement in Kavkaz as a whole, as they “rediscover” a heritage that is seriously damaging to the progress of the community, its safety, its women, etc.
The issue here is that any ignorant kid think that he’s smarter and more progressive, than…let’s say… academician Raushenbakh, one of the fathers of Russian aerospace. But in reality, Ruashenbakh made for the technical and scientific progress much more, than one little and arrogant idiot.
I have several family members who have regressed quite seriously into the faith (in Maxachkala)
They regressed because they were idiots…just like you.
ScarYour rabid defense over your monks isn’t terribly respectful either. You don’t seem to understand that just because you have a belief, and this belief has existed for centuries, doesn’t warrant it some kind of holy respect.
I DON’T have a belief, at least not in the last 10 years. And i didn’t speak about some holy respect. Just about a simple respect. But in contrast to you i simply respect traditions of my country and don’t scream – “you all barbarians and fools!” at every person, especially in the Army and Fleet, who still respect these centuries-old traditions.
And your defense of “majority believes it” is simply drivel. What happens if a part of Russia you live in becomes majority Muslim? Do you want their “traditions” to be pushed into the public sphere?
I respect the traditions of my Muslim friends, their rituals and ceremonies. Because it’s important for them – this is their heritage and culture. And this is what you need to learn to do too, kid. And if i would live in a country where some Muslim ceremonies were the part of tradition, during let’s say, ship launch, i would respect them too. Just becuase it’s a cultural heritage of my country and people who was protecting and building the Defence of my country, for centuries.
ScarUh, majority being Orthodox does not make it a necessity to respect their RELIGIOUS feelings in a government function. Again, are you being thick here? Is Christianity written into the Russian constitution?
You know Russia has millions of Muslims, and other faiths? I have about as much respect for this holy water crap as I do for Imam’s blessing anything in my home region of Dagestan. Keep your cults out of secular government function.
Well, then you’re just arrogant kid who thinks he’s very progressive in his own religion – atheism. But don’t worry, time and people will fix it, one way or another and will learn you to respect traditions and views of others, as every mature and civilized person should do.
I prefer to respect Russian (and in my case, Dagestan’s) heritage through scientists, authors, playwrights, and the battery of other human achievements that will live on far after the religious retrograde institutions bite the dust.
Authors, like Dostoevsky? Bulgakov? Scientists like
Naming planes after famous Russians (in the national, not ethnic term) I am ok with, for example. Ramsul Gamzatov? Good. Some modern day Wahhabist preacher? Retrograde and bad.
It’s not rocket science.
Yeah, it’s not a rocket science. That’s why Roscosmos should send you to ISS instead of barbarians like Krikalyov(the current head of Gagarin’s Training Center) and many others who brought icons to it. Right? But you know, somehow i think those “barbarians” are MILLION times smarter and much more educated than you or any other ignorant and arrogant kid whose parents didn’t learm him how to respect traditions and views of other people.
Вы, ребят, не только глупость свою выпячиваете, но и отсутствие у вас воспитания, хотя бы базового. Не, я понимаю, что сегодня любой дурак с айфоном и ноутом мнит себя во фронтире Человеческой Мысли и Науки(хотя большинство даже закон Ома не способны осилить, или там схему автотриггера нарисовать), но в нашей армии, ВПК и космосе, есть масса куда как более умных и образованных, чем вы, людей, которые, ляпни вы такую херню при них, вас сссаными тряпками погнали бы, быстро указав вам ваше истинное место под солнцем, в науке и в эволюционной цепи. Научитесь уважению, иначе ссаными тряпками вы не отделаетесь – люди не любят напыщенных снобов, ничего из себя не представляющих, зато любящих кичиться своей “прогрессивностью”, по-детски наивно полагая всех, кто придерживается иных взглядов – эдакими отсталыми дикарями. И покуда вы не научитесь уважать других, и уважительно относится к взглядам, традициям и культуре других – вы не то что цивилизованными не станете, вы так и останетесь напыщенными дикарями с замашками хвастливо-чванливого ребенка.
И да, я по занятиям спортом много ребят из Дагестана знаю. Но я не видел ни одного, кто бы, даже не практикуя Ислам и будучи не религиозным человеком – посмел бы себе столь неуважительное отношение к религии предков. Просто потому что это хорошо воспитанные люди, а не напыщенное говно.
ScarZvezdochka released a videoreport of “Marshal Ustinov” repair and moderniaztion.
ScarLet’s leave all churches (and religions) out of this. Blessing a plane is the same as putting a lucky charm in the cockpit for good luck for some people. Not really relevant in this discussion.
This is what i’m talking about. Noone have right to force anyone to believe in God or become a part of any Church, but this doesn’t mean that, let’s say, ritual of breaking the bottle to the ship’s hull or consecration are bad things. You may not believe in God or “bottle of luck” but it doesn’t mean you should expose your disrespect to these military traditions and rituals.
ScarLet’s not forget another major contributor to your heritage–Count Leo Tolstoy… Who was a massive critic of the Russian Orthodox Church (and Christians being forced to serve in the military)
Tolstoy was a critic of Synod at his time and actually i share some of his views, but not all, not at all. But one Tolstoy can’t outweight 1000 years of history and thousands of other famous people, like Rublyov, Dostoevsky or Ushakov who associated themselves with an Orthodox culture and tradition.
I think we all understand that it’s tradition and recognize it’s important to some people. Where we differ is the actual usefulness for the tradition. It’s perfectly fine for some of us to think it’s silly, just like it’s fine for you to think it’s acceptable. But don’t cherrypick your heritage and leave out one of the largest voices for Russian culture, just because it doesn’t support your argument.
Well, then you should learn some History – particularly about change in Stalin’s politics towards the Church after Nazi invasion. Even this crazy-commie understood how useful these traditions are. Those who deny them and their influence on our society just a delusional and not very well educated person who thinks he(she) is very progressive by the fact of his(her) denial.
After all, this thing is not Russian invention: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_chaplain
ScarFalse equivalence AKA apples to oranges …
False statement. “In God we Trust” on the Bucks, anyone?
Scar1.) Not including a priest throwing holy water (how embarrassing) on new military equipment is hardly disrespecting a tradition.
2.) I know the history of (parts) of my family quite a few generations back, before our villages were conquered by the Russian Empire. No part of that history is Orthodox, and I am quite ok with that.
Then just deal with the fact that majority of our country is Orthodox Christian or at least associate itself with Orthodox Christian culture. And learn, at least, to respect traditions and culture of this majority.
Here is your wonderful heritage:
This man is just a moment in the history of the Orthdox Church. And only very ignorant and uneducated person may believe one moment can describe whole history. Maybe you should learn something about Rublyov, Dostoevsky, Ushakov, Antoniy Sugozhskiy and many-many others who really composed our heritage in for the last 1000 years? Looks like you’re just ignorant and arrogant kid who thinks he’s very progressive, but in reality you’re just a kid who don’t know and doin’t respect the history and culture of my country.
Scarhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_state
The Russian Orthodox Church is not a cultural tradition I have any particular inclination to respect.
Also believe it or not, many people within the Russian Fed have no history of being a part of this particular religious tradition.
1) Secular state doesn’t mean disrespect to traditions.
2) Many people have no history, roots, traditions and principles at all – but there is no any need to expose it on public. Orthodox Church is a HUGE part of our history, culture and traditions, believe it or not. Maybe you should learn the history of your own family any further than 2-3 generations back? I know the history of my family till the XVIII century, what about yours? А, Иван, не помнящий родства?
And BTW, look at this video. Nonsense? Nope. Just respect to traditions.
ScarComplete with priest nonsense.
The only nonsense is your disrespect to our cultural traditions.
ScarThe point is that oil is not a godsend to a country. A country still has to be managed properly to capitalize on mobilizing its oil. Having oil does not make managing a country ANY easier.
Yeah, especially if more than a half of drilling and refinery technologies are Western. Just a few month i worked for one Russian company to create a trademark for the FIRST ever Russian lost-circulation material. Currently, all such materials are coming to Russia from the West – particullarly, from the infamous US company Halliburton.
http://www.halliburton.com/en-US/ps/baroid/fluid-services/fluid-additives/lost-circulation-materials/default.page?node-id=hgyyxpgw
Scar2 ) KS101-U – UV MAWS sensor does it have EOTS like capability or is it simple MAWS to warn of missile attack ?
It’s just a MAWS – you won’t see much in UV spectrum since its sources are very rare in the nature – usually it’s a Sun or some very VERY hot things, like rocket motor. This makes detection and selection of the threats(i.e. missile) much more simpler than if it worked in IR, but IR has much more of potential and universality, but makes target selection and identification much harder due to the much more complicated “IR picture” of the world.
ScarCould someone pls do a full review on all the different sensors on PakFa?
KS101-O – DIRCM.jpg)
KS101-U – UV MAWS sensor.jpg)
KS101-N – A2G targeting pod.JPG)
KS101-V – A2A IRST.JPG)
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