Funny. Who invented those concepts? Is it an Aerospace engineer?
Yes.
A capable light attack helicopter already exist: A-129. Lighter than this, is better going unmanned.
Funny, i never realised it’s so lightweight – only ~2500kg empty. Really cool! I thought it was in the same league with Cobra and Rooivalk.
1. The tiger costs almost as much as the apache.
Well, sucks to be EU, then. At least, Apache is worth of its money, while Tiger is overpriced peice of ****. Try to look at Mi-28N or Ka-52 – they cost for our MoD ~$20kk.
3. Which LIGHT helicopter? I am talking here about something VERY LIGHT, not just LIGHT. Which western army still invest in VERY LIGHT helicopters?
As example, this light. Estimated price ~$9 mil.
Attack helicopters now cost around 40 million, not sure they are really that cost effective.
1) Not helicopters, but helicopter – AH-64D/E.
2) Its price is just the result of its sophisticated equipment and weapon systems.
3) I was talking about LIGHT attack helicopter.
4) Today, weapon systems and sensors are worth of 60-80% of the overall aircraft price. You can’t have a mass and cheap attack plane with the capabilities of AH-64D/E.
Would it be possible to make a case for a very light anti-tank plane to fight massed armor attacks? Such small planes could be built in large numbers and would saturate the enemy defenses. They would be designed to shoot all their missiles on the first pass to benefit from the effect of surprise, and they would all attack at the same time.
Sure. This plane is called a “light attack helicopter”.
Here is, IMO, the corvette we actually need to build in really large numbers – of 20-30 units. Don’t pay attention to the worng displacement figure – it’s 1300t, actually. http://www.severnoe.com/en/offers/warships/22160/
Unfortunately, only Zelenodolsk ship-building plant is building them ATM. It’s four of them currently in simultaneous construction, but we need to build 8-10 at once to fill the niche of the universal patrol corvette.
Can I ask why you see 20380 as a fail
Why do you think VMF wanted a new corvette? Ever heard about problems of 20380 with stability/seaworthiness and propulsion? Additionally, ask yourslef: why only 4 of them in service? While 20 have been planned to be built, originally.
, and why 20386 is a bigger failure?
Coz it’s even larger and more expensive than 20380 – its price tag makes it only slightly cheaper than 22350 frigate and more expensive than 11356 frigate.
BTW, 6-8 years ago, when it became obvious that 20380 isn’t satisfactory and too expensive project, a proposal of a more or less reasonable project called “OVR corvette” with displacement of 1500-1800t has emerged. Unfortunately, VMF Staff is sick by giantism and the project was rejected.
The way I see it, 20386 is basically a new generation frigate rather than a corvette, and meant to be fielding quite a few new weapons and systems as well not to mention quite a new hull configuration.
The only problem that we need a mass corvette – cheap, affordable and fast in construction! Not another one expensive frigate. We failed with 20380 and now we’re going to fail even more with more expensive and complex 20386. Great logic, yeah.
Price is a bit high, but 5 years from laying down to commissioning, for such a new ship with the kind of capabilities it has isn’t terrible, especially in context of the recent past of shipyards building for the Russian Navy?
What capabalities??? I say it again, we need a cheap and affordable corvette built in good numbers. And we need it not even today but yesterday. Expensive paper-ships won’t patrol and protect our territorial waters.
3400t
5 years to be commissioned
20-40bln. roubles price tag
Today my opinion on this ship changed on 180* – it’s going to be even a more epic fail, than 20380.
First 20386 has been laid down. But…5 years on corvette?!!!! 3400t of displacement?! WTF??? I hope this all is just misinformation.
The 20386 Derzki has been laid down, and surprisingly it actually does look like that show-model:
Two questions regarding this CGI.
1) Why not UKSK with Kalibr/Onyx missiles?
2) Why only one AK-630 now?
Yeah, and now they made of Al. I wonder with what share of composites T-50 will reach serial production?
Actually both F-22 and F-35 and Rafale use a fixed one thus limiting field of wiew to +/- 60° while only one having it, in a quite unusual form, is Gripen E-F.
[ATTACH=CONFIG]249255[/ATTACH]It is actually is mounted inclined on a rotating platform.
Wow, pretty interesting solution, i’d say! Something average between the fixed and fully movable suspension.
Looks like things havent changed much for Russian HMS when they first came with the concept in mid 80’s
yep
But again, currently GRPZ is working on this thing and you can see it, already, on the head of Mi-28NM test-pilot.
