You are living in a fantasy world. It can and has been used as part of S-300 systems.

No, it’s you – who live in fantasy world. As well, you don’t understand that EWR like 36D6(19G6) is a “приданные средства”, not “штатные” – they’re NOT a part of ANY SAM, but common EW assets that may work alone or together with various SAMs, as S-200, S-300, army’s Osa, Buk and S-300V or even with foreign SAMs as Georgian Spyder. You know nothing about our SAMs and still think you can learn others about them.

How about the following images taken from a report in ‘Signal’ magazine on a recent ‘Red Flag’ exercise?

Cool, now i would be very appreciate if you’ll provide full scans of pages/article illustrated by these images.

Where have you been?
You were part of this thread where the images were posted.

I shouldn’t see and remember everything on every forum i’m visiting.

It is used as a visual target at RAF Spadeadam. What part of “visual target” don’t you understand?

Who said you i didn’t understand something?! I just said that US “S-300” may easily be the same.

Nobody in the USA remembers or cares how many of their aircraft were lost in the Vietnam war. Many Americans can tell you the statistic that really matters – the 56,000+ fatalities (dead people in body bags) that were suffered in the same war.

During the war – everybody cared of that. Coz lost planes, in most cases, meant lost lifes…and then voices, contracts…money, after all. In USSR we didn’t have such categories.

there were a lot of politics in the Soviet Union – that’s why we have the Tu-22M and not the Tu-26 bomber

This has nothing to do with the fact that we didn’t have such things as military contracts and revenue from them. As well as elections. Tupolev’s personal ambitions has nothing to do with politics too. Simply because there was only one political force, it’s called KPSS.

I can give you dozens of sources stating that only 17 B-52s were shot down by S-75 (out of 126,000 sorties) in the Vietnam war.

“If you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it, and you will even come to believe it yourself.” (с) Joseph Goebbels

As much as evil capitalists can be, I guess. They can also be very much mistaken.

There was no reason, for our Soviet MoD, to lie to themselves. This information was classified for decades and we didn’t have Defense Industry Magnates which contracts(or next President in White House?) could depend on numbers of combat effectiveness and losses. In contrast to Capitalists. 😉

Only a fraction were lost to missiles though.

Yeah, sure – that’s why USAF is still feeling a strong butthurt about our SAMs, whereever they’re. 😀 They still remember…this fraction. I’m sure, our veterans/”advisors” would have a very good laugh on these “150 planes for 10 years” joke.

Oh, ****…eeewww…:highly_amused:

Oh, i finally found this British “S-300”. 😀 US one can easily be something similar to this, on closer look. :highly_amused:

Where did you get that figure? Only 150 or so US aircraft were shot down by missiles throughout almost 10 years of US aerial activity. It took the launch of 50 S-75 missiles to shoot down 1 American plane.

150?! REALLY??? Where did you get this obvious bull****? Coz according to Soviet and Vietnam MoDs…

On November 1, 1967(for period of 1966+10months of 1967) – there were 916 missile launched, with 321 target shot down.
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During 1972 year there were 2059 missiles launched, 421 targets down, 4,1(4,9 of course) missile per target.
http://www.vko.ru/biblioteka/vetnam

During the war, USSR delivered to Vietnam 95 SAM S-75 + 7658 missile for them, 6806 were expended or lost in combat/from malfunctions, overall number of combat launches – 3228, number of targets destroyed by SAMs – 1024. http://svpressa.ru/post/article/128027/

I don’t think anybody is denying that. Of course, any kind of missile AD system will always be a ‘real threat’.

Those who trying to represent such SAMs as S-300/400 as useless blind kittens – obviously think otherwise.