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You’ve provided nothing.. The partial technical details of yours might be correct but your conclusion is still wrong. In order not to lose track regd. the original topic discussed – you were complaining about lack of f&f ATGMs (#542) in the arsenal of Russian Army.. The whole topic is not about whether f&f is better than semi-active guided stuff (that is quite obvious), but whether it’s essential and worth the 5x higher cost.. As a matter of fact, it obviously is not since I don’t see your army breaking their necks to get some.. And no amount of your arrogant rant will change anything on that.. Deal with it..

Another one “cool story” from the person who don’t know even basics.

I couldn’t find anything specifically linking those news reports with the lack of KAB-500S. AFAIK KTRV includes huge variety of companies that produce much more than just guided bombs.

I remember reading something on airbase about this report but there was nothing about KABs there. You are the first one to mention them in this context.

I didn’t talk about KAB-500S specifically – i talked about PGM in general. But of course, it’s included the newest KAB-500S and KAB-1500LG in the first place. We have more than enough of the old Kh-25/29L since Soviet times – no need to work so hard to deliver another bunch of these oldies.

Show me a single conflict of today where they are facing “battlefield full of SHORAD and MANPADS”.

Read our Military Doctrine. It will show you what types of threats and conflicts our military sees as highly possible.

Oh, that really persuaded me.. A large scale conventional NATO vs. Russia conflict is unthinkable, anyway, why prepare for it?

Ask those who wrote our Doctrine and organizing, every fckn year, large-scale strategic exercises like Zapad and Vostok with a “full-scale war between the major powers” scenario.

You haven’t disproven sh!t, you have not even provided a meaningful reaction..

I provided all what you need, including the basics about discussed systems that you weren’t aware of. Not my problem that you can’t absorb even this basic knowledge.

Yes, you are too close. And no, that does not render the Longbow “useless” in general. It just renders your notion of using attack helos against SHORAD as dangerous and improper.. There are other platforms dealing with this type of threat.

Show me, where i said about “using attack helos against SHORAD”. What i really said is that modern attack helicopters will face the battlefield full of SHORAD and MANPAD. and in such dangerous environment the best solution is to minimize the time they’re staying in the LOS of enemy AD-assets, or even better, stay out of it completely.

Your “strawman” argument has nothing to do with my real words.

Getting prepared for columns of NATO tanks streaming into Russia equals to getting prepared for another epidemic of pestilence.. I give it 0.01% that it can happen, but the priorities are elsewhere..

You saw these videos. Deal with it. And read our Military Doctrine, finally.

Disprove my claims, first.. In my response #619 I have provided you with an explanation of why Russians are happy even with 90’s era Vikhrs and Atakas.. Now it’s your turn..

In your post 619 you just wrote another one nonsense, which i already disproved. You even don’t know the basics about discussed systems.

Where have I said that Longbow (or Arbalet) radar did not make any sense? :confused:

Right there, where you tried to imply that AN/APG-78 is useless because you’re “too close”. But there is a huge difference, roaming in AD range for seconds or for minutes. That’s what you can’t understand or pretend you don’t understand this simple fact.

Doctrinally, such feature is a cold war dinosaur if you ask me.. The times of the ideas of tank columns streaming through Germany ended 20 years ago..

This is simply untrue. Armoured columns and battle orders/lines/formations are still here.

You really need to do something about your attitude, dude..

Get some knowledge, before.

That means it can be launched even from a radar-less platform, then and is not necessarily coupled to Longbow radar.. Is this correct?

Theoretically, yes. But practically, it’s like using RVV-SD, AMRAAM or Meteor on the platform without radar. Stupid and ineffective.

well, the latest one with that fancy box airframe.

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It’s still under development.