The sheer number of non f&f variants and further development of Hellfire II shows that semi active laser guided ATGMs are still a valid asset today.. Your obsession with buzzwords does not change that..

The number of produced Hellfire Longbow is more than 14 000. More than 10 000 of them are delivered to US Army. It’s more than enough to not ignore its existence.

I have re-read them and you’re still not making any sense. There is no real need for attack helicopters to deal with potential SHORAD or SAM when there is a myriad of other (fast moving) platforms who can do the job much more effectively, safely and at much longer distances than any Hellfire would. Hence the f&f ATGM might be a feature which is very nice to have, no doubt about that, but in the end the expensive missiles might just end up on the shelves collecting dust for years..

May be you read, but you didn’t understand. You don’t understand the fact that on the modern battlefield filled with a myriade of SHORAD and MANPAD, survivability and combat effectiveness of attack helicopter strongly depends on the time its roaming in the LOS of these AD assets. The primary purpose of F&F missiles is not to hunt AD-assets, but to do the main job of attack-helicopter in the combat environment full of SHORAD and MANPAD.

It isn’t . There is a whole family of semi-active laser variants – AGM-114K HEAT, AGM-114M blast fragmentation, AGM-114N MAC and AGM-114R, which are not fire-and-forget..

It does. Coz AGM-114L is still Hellfire.

Yes, really..

Then try to re-read my posts + TR1’s post #600. До полного просветления в голове, как говорится…

Neither is AGM-114, with the exception of the L version.

First part of your statement is contradicting to the second one. Quite an interesting cognitive phenomenon, i’d say.))

Still wonder what your point is..

Really?!

Kh-29L and 35 that we saw in Syria were designed in USSR. Kh-39?! Lol, what is this?

Didn’t know that Canadian education system is in so bad state. Didn’t your teachers familiarized you with Logic’s basics? Ever heard of Aristotel or Russell’ Teapot? If you state the fact of existense of all these wunder-weapons in my country’s AF, especially in significant numbers – you prove it. Coz in Russia we don’t see them. The only one really new type of KAB/Kh we saw in Syria was KAB-500S with sattelite guidance. And our Tactical Missiles Corporation worked in the 24/7 mode to deliver them even to this small expeditionary corps in Khmeimim.

But may be from Canada it looks different…LOL

You were moaning about lack of fire and forget missiles on Russian helicopters vs Apache, hence why Apache won the Indian tender (probably bribed tender). And I explained why Russian helicopters are using such weapons. Fight NATO? Use guided ff missiles like Kab and Kh. A hellfire won’t protect us choppers from being shot down, and we have plenty of evidence to support that. The range of such missiles aren’t preventing the helicopters from flying outside of various shorad ranges.

You explained nothing. Just wrote some nonsense, like this:

Then you would also know that a helicopter is a close support system. If you want to hit targets from afar, that is where KAB missiles or Kh missiles come in as mostly fire and forget.

1) We were talking about attack helicopter’s survivability and combat effectiveness. Not range.
2) Most of our KAB and Kh in service aren’t F&F. Most of them are SALH, like KAB-500/1500L/LG and Kh-25/29L/ML.
3) The most of KAB and Kh munitions in our service, as well as their carrying-platforms – aren’t very effective in destroying moving targets. Thx to the SALH guidance composed with frankly outdated targeting systems, like Kaira and Platan. Not speaking about Su-25 which has neither OETS nor Maverick analogue, so in RuAF it’s mostly an attack helicopter’s job – to deal with armoured vehicles.

What bringe down helios is the amount of time you stay in a conflict.

In the low-intensity conflict where you’re kicking ex-farmers? Yes.
In the high-intensity conflict where you face the enemy equipped with some formidable AD? Nope.

I suggest to all persons who interested in this subject, read our Military Doctrine. Beating some farmers isn’t the top priority of it. Not even close. Deterrence of NATO in the local and regional conflicts is.

Why a fire forget missile would avoid a Shorad system to do it’s work and one with another guidance system instead not?

Is it unclear for you? I mean…REALLY?! Remind me, what is a flight-time of Ataka and Vikhr to their maximum range? And what is the reaction time of SHORADs and MANPADs? As Crotale and Stinger, for example.

And what about LOAL and number of targets you can fire at, simultaneously, with F&F missiles? You really don’t understand that these two features allow to minimize the time in the LOS of enemy or even stay out of it? REALLY???

Instead to play the little painter, may you gave some reason in support of such statement (made by another person) or we have to accept it as Gospel?

Instead of name calling, try to think. Just a little.