Somewhat loosely related, but there is this, thanks to Flateric for the pointer;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUZk8rZnVTM

Of note; Different T-50 related things from 15.50 and onwards including CAD’s of different subsystems including wingbox and slat CAD’s and their assembly. Can’t wait for Jo’s excuses for this;

Jo’s excuses for what? What piece of evidence for what(or against what) claim are we looking at?

Apaches & Mi-28 design has its own merit , specially if you are fighting a jihadi in Iraq or in Syria , A pilot would be more comfortable to sit inside these two chopper knowing well they might at worst face a 23 mm Ack Ack or Stinger/Igla and in most cases an AK.

But if you add a half decent modern organic air defence cover there would be little benefit in pursuing such a heavy chopper design with limitation in manouverability or hot high operation role , A design like Europen Tiger , Indian LCH or Russian Ka-52 would be a better trade off with emphasis on Manouverability and decent protection levels with hot/high operation possible , survivability would be better in presense of enemy organic AD system and its protection level would be equally good when fighting Jihadi types of targets.

Even the cancelled Comanche program relied on manouveribility & stealth and some of the future attack chopper program from Russian UAV has taken Ka-52 like approach

I would think that no one in their right mind would send choppers -no matter what their ‘weight’ is- against any moderately capable air defence presence.

I found this..

it does show the excellent view the F-16 canopy offers ..

https://youtu.be/oYh3e6YIqXU

FYI

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-36864273

Swerve, take care! Maybe your ancestors migrated to heaven like England during 15th. If so i hope they were educated otherwise (i) you may be deported from UK after being sentenced to refund 550 years of irregularly gained social help, (ii) deported to your “country of origin” as you may be part of the plot initiated in 1452 in order to create EU and deprive fierce England from its natural leader role and economical power. Beware, maybe you should better wear a yellow star as UE citizen in GB than being deported to your country of origin as terrorist suspect, i’ve been told many EU countries still torture innocent UK citizens!

All this talk about heritage is pointless. It is indicative of arguing with a Brexit supporter. Mindless points that end up in one thing. Immigration!

A design is still a product and a license to build is still an export, bought in £s, which will benefit from the current slump in the currency.

Where have I blamed immigrants for how much we produce, which, as you may have noticed isn’t something I have a problem with? This is just your usual trolling and strawmanning that you’re famed for. I blame immigrants for not earning enough and therefore not paying enough taxes to expand public services in proportion to the rate they increase the population at. And I blame them for coming at too high a rate to be sustainable, or planned for. Nothing to do with production, unemployment or any of the absolute crap you’re wittering about.

Listen dude, a while back the UK made a concious decision to turn into a services market (and a real estate economy by artificialy increasing the prices of 200+ year old houses, which by the way are the worst in Europe) and move away from production.

The fact that 20 years later a bunch of immigrants came in and started Polish corner shops has nothing to do with the fact that Britons are unemployed. Rather than expecting the goverment to kick out the immigrants so they can get (fantasy) factory jobs again, they could start their own corner shops or whatever else. It was a lack of goverment initiative and resolution that led to the conditions found across the UK and not the EU. Also the involvement in a couple of wars that the UK couldn’t afford made things worst.

don’t go blame the EU for the shortcommings of the UK policies. Some of us live there, remember ?

Traditional manufacturing is only a fraction of the British economy…..it’s cheaper to pay someone in China or India to make something….the way forward is specialised high value and hi-tech products (including some steel and machine tools) ……traditional manufacturing will never come back again and it’s ok….

Apparently it’s not ok because people still believe (and voted so) that it’ll come back! (See my other post).