The SAP-518 operates in a range of 2-18 GHz and fits in two pods.
So tell me, why can’t the the two 117S engines combined With the aux generator generate the enough Power for the SAP-518?
Clearly because it is not the F-35. If it was, the engine would generate enough power to light up the Sun. Don’t you get it by now?
LM thought they were creating a plane. They were creating a cultural phenomenon apparently.
TBH it always looked visually to me longer in the rear. However i did a quick paint calculation based on this T-50-4 pic;
I get 3601mm, so exactly 3,6m ie it is a vanilla R-77 mock up. So i was completely wrong all this time. 😀 Deff R-77, not R-77-1, so you are completely correct. Doesnt mean much either way as T-50 wont be using R-77.
Someone with strong Photoshop-fu should copy and paste those two missiles over the weapon bays, so we have a clear-rer understanding of how big they are in relation to existing weapons and how much smaller the new weapons should be to fit in there.
I have … no photoshop-fu..
No, they spontaneously caught fire while costing far less.
And why would they work better after a nuclear war than before?
Tesla is the unquestioned leader in electric cars and debatably luxury cars in general.
As far as I know Volga’s mechanics are not prone to spontaneous fire bar a fuel leak.
tesla’s on the other hand have batteries (a tech prone to fire) and there have been instances were they caught fire!
Volga’s are not high tech, like tractors! In case of nuclear strikes EMP’s won’t affect them. Tesla’s will be off immediately.
I hope that helps with your questions …
comparing Telsla Motors and Volga :eagerness:
volga’s never spontaneously caught fire while costing $80000 plus they will still work after a nuclear war!
Besides I think the USA is the last place you’d look for great cars.
Not so much. The U.S. tested it and found it had serious arcing problems between the airframe and the ground. It’s hard to remain stealthy when lightning bolts keep giving away your position. Not to mention the problems it may cause for the aircraft systems.
The suggestion here is that an aircraft flying at 10000 or more feet is able to arc to the ground?
You realise we are talking about storm proportion power generation levels which currently is beyond our technology.
Having said that if a plane could generate such levels of power, it would not need stealth to be sure.
What is this “fuselage joining” ? Is the text referring to assembly?
Something of note though. I’ve noticed that the narrative regarding the F-35’s air to air capabilities seems to have shifted recently from “it’s inferior to 4th generation aircraft” to “but but but, the J-20 and T-50 will be better”. Its a pattern seen more and more often among bloggers and critics in the media, on this forum too. Seems like the critics have no option but to concede that VLO + SA now dominate the A2A arena.
There is a difference between a plane and a weapon system. Fighters and bombers are weapon systems.
And a good weapons system doesn’t mean you have a good plane and a good plane doesn’t necessarily mean a good weapons system.
Examples, F-5 , fantastic plane, terrible weapons system.
F-35, (probably) a very capable weapons system, terrible plane.
Does anyone know why the double forward pointing nose antennae? This is so unusual looking. Why most planes don’t have it and this prototype needed it.
it always puzzled me.
The F-16 prototype has it too.
On the other hand, can you imagine it in the same color scheme as Su-35s today? Oh man…
Also I want more walk-around photos of the Su-47. That would be truly epic, if both were present at one event.
If you can, try to focus on taking photos of details that the “big” photographers always skip.
Is it just me that thinks the 1.44 is ugly as %$&* ???
Turkey trolling Greece by making them spend more on interception flights
http://www.politico.eu/article/turkey-buzzes-weakened-greece-military-airspace/
They are not spending more. They are spending the same. This has been going on for decades. This is a standard expenditure.
Other than some PR advertisment, what is “stealth” datalink, really? Theoratical discussions are good, but I am not aware of anything on any known/projected aircraft that can detect good old TKS-2-27, Lazur, link-16, MIDS etc datalinks let alone capable of detecting and pinpointing the target location.
I was under the impression that the F22 passive systems were found to be sensitive enough to pick up link 16 chatter and that prompted the said stealthy versions…
Never ending headache
This is the actual duct:Do you see the engine has a high mounting (denoted by thick lower circular structural stringer sections) at least a quarter of the compressor is mounted above the wing) then the duct bends down sharply – denoted by the thickening upper circular structural stringer sections (in this port duct it bends around the MLG bay and offsets to the left but this is not visible).
Above is the lateral offset (that orange crate is vertically aligned with the upper, outer corner of the intake).Very important to note here how the lower cowling departs significantly from the upper – a source of much confusion/misrepresentation:
http://forum.keypublishing.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=238845&d=1435841679
As can be seen from the top pic the duct extends thru a significant part (if not all) of that elongated yellow panel in front of the cowling:
http://sukhoi.org/img/gallery/wallpaper/1_29_01_10/1002101_80.jpg
…so as the actual duct is under that yellow panel, then it’s a very funky and revolutionary design (short & aggressive bend in the duct):
Incidentally, the height of the MLG wheel is approximately the same as the compressor, so one can easily visualise how much of the comp will be visible (now that we know precisely where the engine is mounted and what direction the duct takes).
That thing you refer to as “engine facet” (from that infamous ‘PAK-FA in the night’ pic, cannot be reconciled as the compressor either vertically, nor laterally. These observations (and most importantly the CAD screenshots) confirm insiders’ and the official patent claims of the existence of S-ducts.
Which begs the question of that ‘thing’ in the intake, what is it? Pay attention!
As intimated before, it is a device to facilitate high pressure recovery to the compressor (near 100%)- the fixed vanes are installed downstream of the bend and precisely orientated to match the static pressure field. In that infamous PAK-FA pic you can even see the same shade of grey duct behind the vanes as precedes them – this is the aggressive bend.
The T-50 would have a flight time of a few seconds if this guide vane structure wasn’t installed.
The beauty of it is that it doubles as a “radar screen” known as ‘Device 9/Устройсво 9’ in the official patent “set straight in the intake, offset and partially obscuring the [engine’s] guide vanes”- clearly neither the compressor nor duct are “set straight” vis-a-vis the intake.
The “radar screen” function of the vanes negates the need for a ‘long S-duct’ to absorb/neutralise incident and reflected radar waves. I’ll leave it to more learned members to explain the precise mechanics of the RCS of intake cavities but, clearly, it is a World apart from a radar ‘blocker’ in the conventional sense as installed on 4G legacy fighters.
The advantages of the design compared to conventional S-ducts are a huge reduction in system length (and hence weight) and overall a more integrated fuselage design as demonstrated by the T-50’s lower profile compared to the F-22/35/J-20 ‘fatties’.
It is advances in CFD software’s predictive accuracy and raw computing power that have made this revolutionary S-duct a reality* and I believe these design elements will be replicated in upcoming US 6G contenders.
Pics 1&3 ℅ Mr. Paralay.
My point was not to put down the design. You are being more pedantic so I’ll play along, OK, it is not the engine face, nonetheless, the design required a certain solution, which is harder and more complicated than the F-22’s solution; therefore the second part of my statement linked to the T-50’s top speed stands. They wouldn’t have gone for such a complicated solution if it didn’t offer some advantage. The lift/enlarged engine bay argument is logical, but in -my humble- opinion, not enough. I think they may had in mind that the plane would be a good deal faster than the raptor.
T-50 might look a bit like F-22 but have small details like stronger canopy with frame, variable inlets, smaller and less drag vertical tails and higher wings sweep vs F-22. This must count for something in this game.
I was about to say that if the russians went into all this trouble of putting all that staff on the plane and risk having to solve the problem of a partially exposed engine facet and it is still only marginally faster than its direct competitor, the raptor, then all this was for what?
Any modern aircraft will be a threat in WVR. With modern missiles by the time you can visually acquire an aircraft visually, even under ideal daylight conditions, that aircraft is already well within the NEZ of your missiles. Missiles like Cuda, Stunner/Python-6, I-Derby, etc, are not going to be defeated kinematically at anything near visual range.
I am sorry, I feel the need to say this again, although I have mentioned it before, again and again.
What is it are we trying to say with this argument? That all planes are lethal WVR and hence let’s not talk about it. BVR however the F-35 will reign supreme!
There is absolutely NO guarantee that the F-35’s sensors will be effective against similarly LO adversaries. The same applies to ALL LO planes.
What is the point of stealth otherwise? Why would the F-35’s missiles be able to lock on LO targets whilst the enemy’s won’t? Why will the Radar, the optical sensors the anything! That makes no sense and this assumption has never before been made for comparable weapon systems in history.
If we subscribe to this view, then the F-35 is the ultimate anti-stealth platform.
So you either accept this at its basis or you realise that LO planes may have to actually get really close to increase the efficiency of their respective weapons to begin with.
And when you get close, then kinematics always become important, from boxing, to tank battles to freakin dogfights.
I still can’t understand why people don’t seem to be getting this…
greek exit will mean russian entry. they will bail them out.. probably partially.., but their industries will be bought out by the east.
One of the things about Europe is that history matters. One can gauge a lot by looking into the history of nations/countries of Europe.
Russia has traditionally been an ally for Greeks however at the same time, Russia has never been a major “key” player in Greek affairs. In actual fact, the UK, France and the USA have had historically far more influence and have gone out of their way to affect Greek affairs that Russia.
If Russia aids Greece it would be because it is to its benefit and not out of some naive feeling of alliance.
Also Russians have always gave less for more. The west always gave more for less, but reserved the right to meddle with the internal affairs which has in the past proven destructive for Greece.
In any case, for the aircraft industry, I believe it will set it back at least 10-15 years. Greece’s aircraft industry is secondary, i.e. it is strong but as an assistant industry, not capable of producing entire products but very capable of sub-contracting work for many many years.
I think this is a blow for them …