The only way you will have peace in the Middle East is to either listen to Turkey or let Turkey sort it out. We have ruled this part of the world for in excess of 700 years and know it better than any outsider up to every single local tribesmen.

The only way you will have war for 20 years in the Middle East is to either listen to Turkey or let Turkey sort it out. We have ruled this part of the world for in excess of 700 years and know it better than any outsider up to every single local tribesmen.

Here I FTFY. I am in awe by your level of esoteric education …

Honestly, I don’t understand what you are trying to prove. They, surely, had their reasons which a) I don’t care less about b) are irrelevant to the point I am making. In the end, -one way or another- they operate the S-300, ~20 TOR-M1s, and a 16 OSA-AKMs all bought from Russia. Also, 3 of the Zubr hovercrafts Hellenic Navy operated were bought from Russia.

I don’t know why you are trying to sugarcoat these. As for the “reasons”, Turkey has its own reasons too. No one in NATO sells it the equipment Turkey wants under the conditions they want simple as that.

Turkey also operates 18 Mi-17s and ~214 BTR-80s mostly bought from Russia. Some 320+ BTR-60s bought from GDF are also modernised and maintained with Russian assistance and still active. I still don’t understand why S-400 is such a big problem now.

Yes, Bayar I think reminded (us) of the existing Russian equipment in Turkey. I guess everything is ok then.
The point I was trying to make was that NATO countries don’t just buy Russian stuff. But if it happened before , I doubt the nature of the ‘stuff’ will make any difference.

a) No one talked about invasion, only said they will destoy the missile systems if they go active on Cyprus.
b) Irrelevant to what I am saying. One way or another, Greece operates S-300 and again, this was quite welcomed by NATO. Don’t avoid my point, by the same analogy, NATO should be quite happy about Turkey getting S-400 should it not?

I am, most obviously, not only talking about a few comments on a forum but the general attitude from politicians to military officials to experts, all the way down to ordinary citizens. This forum merely reflects the voice of ordinary citizens and maybe some experts.

Are you deliberately trying to not understand? Greece defused a situation. Didn’t actively pursuit to buy Russian equipment. When Greece’s former prime minister signed a deal for BMP 3’s, well let’s say there are rumours he was going to be assassinated! Needless to say that deal never went through!

Am I? where?
It’s either-or.. Either NATO has no right to dictate Turkey on whom to sleep with.. or Russia, too, has right to dictate Ukraine..

funny how sometimes the finer points of double standards elude us….

lol, humans are no longer involved at the highest levels of the stock market trading. that’s because computers there now work at microseconds, with a complexity far beyond the ability of a human to follow

I’m going to quote the relevant parts of the article, I’m getting a feeling you didn’t bother to actually read the latest scientific research on the subject
[url]http://www.zdnet.com/article/raspberry-pi-ai-vs-usaf-colonel-guess-who-…–

AI is what I do, it is my specialisation. You have no insight into what this article means. Like all those news where someone “beat” a disease and then you never hear from them again. Hold a small basket….

no way… transforming the current aircraft into drones would cost a fortune that nobody will be able to pay for. what’s more, letting the aircraft do their job autonomously brings ethics problem, about target ID, killing of people by a machine with no human in the loop.

it may become reality some day, but definitely not with current platforms, which means not before 2050 at the very earliest

One could argue that traps and mines are nothing but crude machines that already kill a man (or many men in case of naval mines) without a man in the loop.

The complexity of the machine doesn’t change the principle. Of course this is a somewhat simplistic approach but nonetheless remains true.

No, Russian companies just have yet to make a modern half decent one.

True, but it doesn’t have to be half decent one to be functional and usable and one has to start somewhere at some point.

Is the MiG-35 strictly a two seater?