FalconDudeErmmm….. not quite. What we’re looking for is called ‘chord error’ for the approximate segments of the starboard cowling.
I could have easily mapped the port cowling blue circle onto the starboard and behold, they would have matched. The reason I used identical sub-scale blue circles was to highlight the asymmetrical segments visible to the eye (crucially, differences visible on both pics).
The resolution & clarity is simply not high enough to engage in mathematical proofs of chord errors in arc paths for a complex, asymmetrical polygon – which, incidentally, would be a geometry indicative of LO shaping.
Sometime this year we’ll know for sure, so I’ll leave it there…..but I’m pretty confident my eyeballs will be vindicated.
Could very well be. I just can’t really tell one way or the other.
FalconDudeI’m proposing that it’s not the nacelles holes themselves, but the canvas fabric in some pics that’s making one look more angular in certain perspectives. To me, the picture you attached shows both holes being the same shape :P. Until we get better pics we’re probably left to personal judgement on this one…
Happy New Year to Everyone. I wish this new spin around the sun brings to each and everyone one of you all that you ever wished for, for yourselves and for your friends and family.
-Having said that, the fabric is attached to something, right? A piece of tarp doesn’t sit in a nice circular pattern all by itself. How come one is round and one isn’t if the underlying shape is circular? It can be done I guess, hell anything can be done. It is just that speculating is fun.
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Well, I just opened up a simple paint program and drew a box running across the radius of one nacelle and then moved it to the other. They are both the same diameter, so it must be our eyes fooling us. It is easy to replicate, you can try on your own.
FalconDude… LM seem to have grasped that, in the end, that is why they use all dirty tricks to somehow get around the usual acquisition process..
Greek defence press recently released info that LM offered Greece once again participation to the F-35 Program with very good terms and guaranteed delivery of first planes for 2020 (financing partly through FMS). Before people begin to knock this down, remember that Greece was an important LM client with many F-16s in its fleet. The info is that they tied this to the F-16 fleet modernisation and supplementary sales to cover for accident attrition. Rumours ….but still…
FalconDudeR U sure? Look closely:
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From one angle it looks a bit bigger/wider too. It could just be my eyes fooling me.
FalconDudeAn alternative might be to look at more compact weapons, or even external weapon pods. One issue with a double internal launcher on stations 4 & 8 might be ensuring that one hung missile would not impede the launch of the other one.
I think you hit the nail square on the head there. Misfires (failure to launch) must be accounted for, and if one missile jamming and not firing makes another one useless because it is in the way, then the whole approach is scrapped pretty much.
FalconDudeSome negative comments for the F-35. Not sure how valid or not.
FalconDudeFact still remains, the F-22 has dominated air combat exercises primarily because of its VLO airframe & avionics, and less on account of its agility & supercruise.
My take on this is that it dominates exercises because all missile shots within certain parameters are considered kills.
Not the same as real world engagements. It is telling that all planes that came up against the F-22 where fired upon before they got the plane in their sensor range, and it is somewhat telling also that we have heard nothing about adversaries with IRST yet.
any way.. merry xmas to all.
FalconDudeThat is one obscene price tag.. and pretty much the reason why there are not enough simple troop or cargo haulers for disaster relief operations.
If a brand new Mi-17V-5 with Kontur weather radar can be had for $13.6mil, for the sake of an argument I could accept twice the price tag for an Euro-made helicopter in the same class. And 2.5x the price if there is some special equipment onboard.
Greece pays similar amount of money for some of its NH90TTHs .. I don’t think the option to get +14 will go through though… initial reports are coming in indicating they are not suited for the mission they were needed, just like the C-27s .. .(another too expensive plane for what it offers)
I think the F-35 supporters miss the impact the associated price tag has with this plane. Nobody would raise an eyebrow if the plane came with a cost of ~$40-$50m even if it was a hog to fly.
FalconDudeROFL so Germany, which probably paid the lion’s share of the 400 bn loans should be happy because they saved 10bn making new debt to sink money in a county that will never pay back.
High as a kite, as I said.
Nic
With all due respect, I think you have not followed my arguments, neither have you understood them!
You want to carry on believing that the average German, Dutch, or even French guy is paying more taxes because of Greece or Spain or Italy (for that matter) go ahead. There is a tonne of evidence available online that shows the counter argument, I linked to one. Who am I to judge what other people think, but this day and age, information (regarding all sides of an issue) is readily available, if we chose to view only one side, then what is the point. Pretty much like the F-35 guys refusing to acknowledge the impact of the planes price.
The truth is not relative and it’s not somewhere in the middle, it’s always there to be found.
FalconDudeThe reason the F-35 has had such great success as an export product is because it is what most of the market wants. A new generation multirole fighter that can perform the full range of missions most forces are tasked with.
The F-35 hasn’t been a success yet. We still do not know if it is going to be. As per normal all the partner air forces and then ones that are simply looking for a new type will go though evaluation stages (the partners will go through first small batch of planes). If the planes proves to be all they say it is, then everyone is going to make further orders.
FalconDudeHey, I never said the euro canards are cheap! I
On the other hand I did say the F-35 was meant to be affordable. That’s all.
FalconDudeDo your research in a lot more depth before commenting. All countries in the EU are affected by such things owing to the fact that all pay contributions to the EU which is where the money to bail out Greece came from.
I am sorry, I don’t feel I should respond to that, especially when prior to your (this) post a whole debate including references and links has taken place that shows there was merit to what I was saying and clearly shows I at least have done my research and not just gobble up sensationalist titles.
If you however take the time to read the previous posts, I am always available for a conversation on the issue and how it affects NATO capabilities.
FalconDudeThe Eurofighter purchase was not scrapped due to lack of funds at that time; it was scrapped mainly for political reasons: Mr Sarkozy strongly insisting in selling his own toys and UK proving to be in love with Turkey over Cyprus much, much, much more than with Greece. Later on it proved the right thing to do after all, judging from the purchase outcome in Austria.
I would agree with that, I am however willing to bet that Greece hasn’t rid itself of the EF2000 prospect. As I said previously, eventually someone along he line will realise the used typhoons of the German airforce can be shoved down the throats of the HAF and keep up pretences while making money as well.
That also carries with it the possibility for the first time ever, the HAF being equipped with a non US fighter as the tip of its spear. Doubt if the US will like that. A buttload of money was made by US companies before.
That may trigger the US in some very low interest rate finance to support the F-35 sale to Greece or something, perhaps even from its own inventory to circumvent reactions by other partners in terms of delivery schedules etc.
FalconDudeGive with one hand, take with the other.
When looking at parts of economic reality of the last few years there have been some silver linings, but as a whole, the EU’s economy has suffered from the Greek bailout. On the other hand, not bailing out Greece was generally expected to cause even more trouble.
In sum, Greece *has* received EU-money. Any reductions to the other member states’ loan rates were a matter between those creditors and debtors.
Undoubtably so, all I was trying to convey was that the average joe blog in the EU hasn’t necessarily started paying more taxes due to the economy of the south EU members. It is way more complex than that, but thanks for the arguments.
FalconDudeSource: http://www.efsf.europa.eu/attachments/EFSF%20FAQ%202014-05-21.pdf
Source: https://www.ecb.europa.eu/ecb/orga/capital/html/index.en.html
Payments by the ECB are indirectly financed by the EU’s member states, because that is where the ECB’s capital originates.
Thanks for the reply.
Yes of course, but that doesn’t mean the European taxpayers are paying for the bailout.
Have a look at:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/05/02/us-eurozone-bailouts-idUSBRE9410CG20130502
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