A smoking gun has already been produced many times over but you and Paralay are still persisting to keep posting theories of an impossibly complex conspiracy instead of realising that it’s pretty clear what happened. The balance of evidence is massively one sided.

No, I am sorry, there was NO evidence of a smoking gun presented at all. Again logic dictates that the 777 was shot down by the separatists by accident.

However what logic dictates is NOT and should NEVER be presented as a smoking gun evidence. To this day there have been NO (conclusive or otherwise) evidence that a separatist missile hit the plane.

Actually in terms of quality of evidence (and not veracity or accuracy) the Russians have been more effective. The US pretty much said “the russians did it, trust us, we know what we are saying!!”

Not likely to happen amongst educated patient people with a trace of memory of recent events.

Not if the airliner is flying at 10000 metres, as MH-17 was. According to Sukhoi (you can check their site – easily found), the ceiling of a clean Su-25 is 7000 metres. Its top speed – again clean – is slightly slower than the normal cruise speed of a 777, i.e. MH17s speed at the time.

It’s been reported by Russian sources that Russian Wikipedia was edited (story’s online, easily found) from central Moscow IP addresses after the first Russian claim about a Su-25 to show a higher ceiling. Looks like rather crude lying to try to back up something said by a technically ignorant propagandist.

It was rhetorical, because these were my thoughts exactly.

Well, your correlation didn’t make much sense at all. We don’t have a clear pic of T-50-0’s side but it is perfectly same to assume it has that panel too, ie all T-50’s have it…

And to be picky, KNS is not static per see. T-50-0 is.

I vaguely remember something about KNS being somewhat smaller in size. Is there any truth to that or just some random internet gossip I remember?

I am amazed by the size of the double standards that seem to be floating around in here.

Obviously I am saddened by the downing of the civilian plane. There is however a grave imbalance right now right here.

First of all western supporters should take it down a notch. The US have supported Iraq the fought Iraq, Supported the Taliban, then fought the Taliban, Supported the Islamists in Syria, and now they are taking apart Iraq. They are now supporting the Ukraine government which is openly Far-right (to the point of almost being fascist).

The west openly supported the break-up of Yugoslavia and the ethnic break up of that country but not of Ukraine, it seems if you are a Russian you are not entitled to be self-determined as the Croats or the Bosnian were in Yugoslavia.

The freedom fighters are defined only according to what suits US interests and I am saddened to see that people in here subscribe to this point of view.

It seems a lot of people in here want Putin himself to have pulled the trigger. I have no feelings towards the man, but I do see how one-sided the argument is.
As far as I see it, for the US to be happy and for Putin to be behaving, the russians in Ukraine should simply want to live under Ukraine rule. Right?

Again, I take no sides, but since the US (and the west) previously supported a similar move by some other people, why not by these people? What is different this time other than US interests ?

I find it disrespectful to wage a political war over the bodies of needlessly lost people.

Finally I repeat my statement, no matter who pulled the trigger, the plane should have never been flying over a warzone. NEVER. The only guilty party is the one which routed the plane over a warzone.

I can’t? Math 101;

Its a matter of simplification has nothing to do physics behind it. v*dv/dt = 0 if a = 0

I thought this guy did well in Math in Laugh-borough uni…. he had like 1.000.000 marks one that unit.

Andraxxus is wrong, Amiga500 is wrong, 800+ engineers in MiG design bureu are also wrong, they designed MiG just by pure luck, only lukos is right. Why? because he is right and he also has PhD.

Perhaps its you who is using wrong ratios and getting wrong answers?

He has a PhD? He is Dr Lukos ?

Ancient Greeks used to say that knowing half is worst than knowing nothing…

In all fairness, the information in US flight manuals is 100% accurate for that aircraft model at the time of the flight test. So, f-15c, f-16 ( differing on various blocks) are in public domain. The numbers on the SU-27, Mig-29 are difficult to cross reference unless you can: a. Read russian b. Decipher their charts which differ from US c. Can verify the source of the charts ( there have been some dubious claimed su-27 e-m diagrams posted online). I like that he at least tries to quantify the performance rather than ” mine turns better than yours”. The only real issue is if people take those numbers that he rightly claims are guesstimates as gospel.

Yeah, i do think the f-22, typhoon numbers are off. Frankly, there is not enough confirmed information on the f-22 to calculate it’s performance. Even the numbers out there like 35,000 pound thrust class- are sanitized. And i don’t believe the USAF has ever released what NACA wing the f-22 uses.

The F-22 details are classified and we cannot count on whatever little is out there to be accurate. F-16 and F-15 have been aggressively marketed and details are known. Not so for the F-22.

I’ve never seen a flight manual for at least 4 of the NATO aircraft in that list and I don’t believe one exists within the public domain to date, although there are obviously ones somewhere.

If it flies, it has a manual.

Both the Su-27UB, Su-30M2 and Su-30SM have a multimission suite systems, which basicly means they can do multirole mission, beside anu training mission. In other words they are fully capable Flankers.

The Su-30SM even have the BARS radar or a deriative of it.
The Su-27SM3 is new build Flankers.
And i think the legacy Su-27S/P numbers are dwindeling at a fast pace now, som of them might get upgraded to later SM3 standard.

Does anyone have number estimates of planes in russian service for every flanker type in active duty?