According to Mr. Lagarkov and Mr. Pogosyan, the average RCS maneuverable fighter can not be below 0.3 square meters 😉
It is the incoming fighters frontal RCS that is paramount for first look first shot, and for air defence against strikes though.
Seconding Mr. Paralay (Davidenko interview quote â„… Austin):
So there you have it, PAK-FA RCS by Russian standards (~0.4 м²) and 0.0035 м² by US/European standards (â„… ff1987). Say “thankyou”, FD.
Incidentally, the director of ITAE (Dr. A Lagarkov) is interviewed @ 08:15 in ff1987’s yt link. He’s the same dude that co-wrote that RCS paper with Pogosyan back in 2003 (linked by Wingex, above), and this paper on engine-duct RCS:
Somehow I don’t think OKB Sukhoi will be going to the Indians to make PMC tailfins for the PAK-FA:
Thanks Jo and Paralay, these are very useful posts
It has been stated by Sukhoi officials many times and in my previous post I refernced a Russian statement above from Sukhoi where it was said that PAKFA rcs will be no higher than F22,you can google translate it yourself.
Well my google fu seems to be weak today. Can you provide a link?
thanks
Just like I was saying earlier this statement in Russian by Sukhoi says that the radar signature of the Pakfa will NOT exceed the radar signature of the F22 and that is actually one of Pakfa design goals. And with Pakfa having a much more powerful and modern radar system than F22 and the worlds most advanced IRST OLS system the F22 and F35 are hopelssly outmatched and at a severe disadvantage vs Pakfa in BVR combat and WVR as well.
How thick or slow can one be,it was confirmed many times that Pakfa rcs will be on the same level as F22 and NOT larger and frontal rcs possibly less than F22 and definatelly lower rcs than F35. Yet you compare frontal rcs of a vlo stealth fighter to not even lo but standard figher,pathetic.
Where has it been confirmed many times over and by whom? Please enlighten us, you will only be putting our concerns at rest.
. I’ll even point out the location of D9 later, since FD has failed miserably in his 3D task, it’s just that I’m a bit ANGRY at the moment…
Sorry to let down, it ain’t exactly easy and I don’t have all the time in the world …!
Exactly!
Sigh. They *are* radars, they just don’t do radary things.
Don’t want to be pedantic but if it isn’t doing any Ranging, it’s not a radar, it’s a transceiver.
Weapons useful information (plot a firing solution) only if you have the (relative) range to the target, its bearing is good, but not enough.
If the average RCS for the T-50 is nearing 1m² that is not very good. A clean F-16 is rumoured to have 1m² RCS at 100km head on and it is quite comfortably detected by most modern radars out there at this distance (IIRC) .
I know… but “Jo” said that the “two L-BAND slats” ARE NOT RADARS! 😮
IIRC they should be very long range IFF. Could be wrong.
I wonder how close to reality this is …
The papers claim that the radar cross-section (RCS) of an Su-27 was in the order of 10-15 m 2 , with the intention being to reduce the size of the RCS in the T-50 to an “average figure of 0.1-1 m 2 “.
Per the FY2014 budget at http://www.saffm.hq.af.mil/shared/media/document/AFD-130408-079.pdf (page 66) the Total Flyaway Cost for a F-35 is $127/113/108/96 for jets ordered in 2015-2018. The prices will be lower if & when South Korea orders their jets.
This is Total Flyaway Cost only and will be a little higher when delivery, initial training, initial parts, etc are included.
I never quite understood why the JSF program and the F-35 in particular has fans and supporters. This program was ill-conceived and the way it progressed through the years is evidence of that.
The contradiction in this is that the plane may end up being very good in the end. But that is just one part of the equation.
The fact that people debate over its kinematics, value for allied air forces and potential use in a saturated air space clearly show in my humble opinion that perhaps the plane has no identity.
And the economies of this thing are atrocious. In the past air forces could order <48 pieces of a said type and really strengthen their capabilities, as with the F-16 or the M-2000. Now buying 48 of those is too damn expensive and buying less means you have no significant force to speak of.
Hi. Sorry for responding so late just got my account approved. I’m afraid OS does play a role in CAD design if you want to use up to date systems. I’m a design engineer and use Solidworks. The latest version can only work on Windows 7 or 8. XP support has been dropped. I think SW2014 has only 64 bit due the memory requirements. I’d be curious to know what systems Sukhoi uses as it’s all about collaborative design and common formats for viewing designs.
And why would they use the latest version? First rule of engineering, if it works, don’t change it (unless it becomes prohibitively expensive to keep).
The company I work for just (and I mean just) upgraded to win 7 32bit. We chose 32 bit because we have no specialised 64 bit applications and 32 bit is much faster than 64 bit in whatever it is we are doing. The only reason we updated from XP was that we had the budget and the IS department took it. If we had our way we’d have a series of brand new 3D printers.
That is the tricky thing about a zero-day exploit. They are kept secret until day 0. NT/2000 did not have the adoption rate of XP. Don’t forget XP was marketed in both home and professional versions. NT/2000 was designed purely for business. The home OS being Windows Millennium around the time of Windows 2000. NT didn’t need any zero-days, it was full of known holes almost from the get-go. Just because the adoption rate is still strong in Asia and Russia doesn’t mean MSFT will continue to support the aging OS. I digress, this is an aviation forum.
I will repeat once more. Isolated closed networks are secure networks by definition. The only liability is users. Not external attacks.
Perhaps, but you still have to stay supported by the manufacturer. XP limits the amount of addressable RAM to 3.75-4GB and with a 32-bit architecture. Hardly optimal for a CAD program, especially when suitable 64-bit platforms have been around for years.
There is a 64 bit version of windows. And security is not an issue for internal networks without outside world connections. A closed network is a safe network by definition.
Perhaps. It looks like a work station and it is running a CAD program, so it must be used for some dev. purpose.
The OS doesn’t play much role in CAD design. Also something most people don’t realise is that the older your OS in a newer machine, the faster said OS and applications will run. Granted, drivers etc can be a problem, but if you can find a stable platform, you are fine.
I just think, we might be able to use this model as a tool for our various discussions, providing we approve that it is suitable. I too noticed some of the things you both have mentioned, but more eyes are better than two ..
Spine
Wings
LEVCON’s
Engine
Engine exhaust
Horizontal stabs
Stinger
Area in between exhaust and stinger
Vertical stabsSooo… every single area that is seen. I am not overstating it, i literally see mistakes in every single of the things i listed above.
I am not saying you are, the question now is, is this good enough to use or rubbish? I think there is some potential for use.
here’s two more angles, one trying to replicate the photo
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