THE LITTLE KITE MOVES 800 KM/H..BUT IT IS 2.35 TIMES SMALLER THAN me-109 g-6 THAT ALSO WAS ABLE DIVE 800 KM/H…AND BARELY SOME DUDES WERE ABLE TO REGAIN CONTROL OF IT. Sorry caps locks on.
what is the point in this comparison.
your later drawing comes to some resemblance to the Long EZ, but jet powered…
however, you have several problems (just to name the few)
– your 1cm thick armour will weigh how much?
– you 0.5cm thick additional armour will weigh how much?
– unless you enemy uses nothing beyond .22 caliber, your aircraft will be shredded by anyone shooting at itbesides, the sheer weight of your “armor” will make it a flying brick, as far as maneuverability goes… well, if you manage to take it off the ground, that is…
any aircraft, big or small uses a “skin” that is waaay thinner and lighter than what you try to do…
there was one that wanted to use a thicker top: the X-32, but with a much more lifting profile… yet, they had trouble, especially to make it take off vertically.
another thing: if you want maneuverability @4-500kph, you’ll need quite large control surfaces, and, even more, you’ll need them to have sufficient authority for take off and landing… once flying about 8-900kph, your stick will be like if it was stuck in concrete… your pilot would need Hulk’s arms to move it…
you NEED hydraulics to move your control surfaces… and there comes more weight… and eats a bit more of your tiny space available inside…
which is pretty much the problems anyone who wanted to design a small modern fighter had.
I counted price 1.5-2 mio USD for VT-JET and 12-14 mio USD for GM-1.
price is not the issue, I am concerned that your designs are not what you hope they are.
Your interceptor drawing has it with 4 (AiM 120s) attached to external pylons. Can you tell me what the ration between the weight of an AiM-120 and your plane’s weight is ?
The sizes are such that merely the drag differential from firing one of the externally attached missiles between the wings will be enough to affect level flying. i.e. one wing will have to cope with the drag from 2 misslies, while the other with one. Not to mention separation vibration.
I counted price 1.5-2 mio USD for VT-JET and 12-14 mio USD for GM-1.
price is not the issue, I am concerned that your designs are not what you hope they are.
Your interceptor drawing has it with 4 (AiM 120s) attached to external pylons. Can you tell me what the ration between the weight of an AiM-120 and your plane’s weight is ?
The sizes are such that merely the drag differential from firing one of the externally attached missiles between the wings will be enough to affect level flying.
How are these pods, that apparently jammed everything to smithereens in Georgia, a step backwards?
The pods aren’t the step backwards, the pods are what they are. The aero fences are!
It must be related to the massive pods. This is a step backwards. why can’t they attach the pods elsewhere ?
“They” certainly wouldn’t because they wouldn’t make enough money off it.
Nic
They would…
The smaller plane is fully mechanic like Cessna 150.
How did they fit all that in a Folland Gnat thas has engine longer and inlets too ?
Also this is so simple that it does not need to stay 95% of its time to be maintained !
The latter has two engines..man pads have hard time locking since the engines are above the wing. Two engines..one can be lost..and going is still strong.
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Do you know how long ago a Gnat flew a combat mission? It was a 1959 design. That is more than 50 years ago.
A mechanically operated plane this day and age? Kinda hard to accept.
look at it this way, if they could make small planes like that, they would have already.
BS…this is to have 1 cm thick kevlar/carbon fuselage + 5 mm steeltube for the pilot. Unlike F-22 Raptor which cannot fly low in combat zone due to small arms fire ….this ( these ) can !
There has never been as redundant combat plane as this might be one day.
I don’t doubt it will have, but I think you grossly underestimate the effectiveness of weapons. Especially missiles !
And you say this a “redundant plane” , i get what you are trying to say, but why exactly is it? Because of the kevlar? How exactly is it combat safe besides the 1cm armour you intend on giving it (not that it matters)? You hardly have space for hydrolics in there to move the control surfaces, how are the redundant systems going to fit in? Cooling for the avionics. Redundant avionics, redundant pumps, pipes, wiring.
I am fond of the idea of a small fighter, but I think it simply is beyond current levels of technology.
Thirsty Hellduck 🙂
http://russianplanes.net/images/to106000/105684.jpg
I don’t like the fences.. they make it look….. 60’s
Sir I have been developing 2 planes…other is interceptor and this latter is more like an ground attack aircraft.
Are you saying the latter might do the job of the both ?
No, I am saying that neither can carry out a modern day mission objective. They are simply to small and fragile to do so, even if they were ever going to fly.
Here is the PBS JT-100 based previous design of mine ( also in my blog ).
Out put 164 times less ( 2.2 kN ) than in the biggest 5th gen fighter. 😀
Able to carry some 300 kg ordnance ( motor cannon and/or few missiles ).
I have noticed you often compare your inception with obsolete planes from WWII or similar.
There is a reason why we still don’t use these types of sizes. You often quote top speed too. Top speed is not everything.
If you put an F-16 up against a Mitsubishi Zero, it is more than likely that the F-16 will never get the Zero in its sights. The zero on the other hand will probably turn into the F-16 many times. If we were to arm the Zero with IR missiles, the zero would have shot down the F-16, many times over. Why do we not use Zeros still then? Same applies for choppers, one of the hardest things to do for a fighter pilot, is to engage a helicopter. Why do we not use helicopters then for all our needs?
Because besides everything else, they do not have the frame to carry the equipment to carry out the missions required.
Modern planes for example, have self protection suites. Is there enough room on your plane to include one? How about double redundant systems to survive battle damage?
What would be the point of it reaching M2.2 ? Could it be meaningfully controllable at these speeds? Stable? Could it launch a missile at those speeds? would the impact shock from opening a bay door at these speeds throw the plane of balanced flight? what about the weight imbalance of having fired one of the four missiles in the bay which have significant weight ratio in comparison to the actual frame ?
F-4E AUP is pretty much an F-18 in the body of an F-4
I am not sure what exactly is debated here.
T-50 prototypes are flying, hence any manufacturing techniques (new,old, cutting edge) must have been somewhat appied already.
Do we know for a fact (russian magazines, documentaries, videos, interviews etc) that they have been in use for the T-50 or whatever is mentioned here is pure “educated guessing” ?
Some of these numbers were mentioned in the ITAE paper.
I believe they said they reduced the nacelle contribution by 15~20dB not the entire aircraft. IIRC .