It’s really not that hard to work out. Just use the same logic that several on here use when reporting the latest comings and goings on the UK Spitfire scene.
It was donated to the San Diego Air and Space Museum according to wiki.
Yes, I saw it hanging there when I last visited 2 years ago.
isn’t the idea to charter a Dakota for a special flight?
Not from reading the blurb on thir Facebook page:
http://www.facebook.com/RafTransportCommandMemorial?ref=ts&fref=ts
If you search the internet you will find many discussions about how EASA and the Europeans have stopped aeroplanes like the DC-3 flying fare paying passengers. This isn’t strictly true. The UK CAA have a very sensible view on the operation of such aircraft, allowing dispensations for certain operations, as long as you can prove that safety is not compromised by such dispensation.
I have spoken with the CAA and this project is certaily far from impossible. The great fanfare in 2008 of the end of DC-3 passenger flights was based on the new EASA rules written for modern airliners stating any aircraft over 19 seats must have various safety related equipment fitted. In fact, at the time this was a brand new legislation, now the CAA and EASA have found their feet and this was never intended to stop vintage aircraft flying. Having moved away from passenger flying, other operators have found the commercial market more profitable.
This project is aimed at getting a DC-3/Dakota/C-47/Skytrain (to give some of its names) airworthy and certified to fly passengers, as a permanent memorial to RAF Transport Command.
A major aim of this project, aside from keeping the memorial, is to offer Veterans FREE travel aboard the aircraft back to Normnady in 2014 for the 70th anniversary and Holland for the 70th Anniversary of Market Garden.
Just in passing I can’t help wondering if RR still have the capability to rebuild a Merlin, or if it will be contracted out to a specialist.
Moggy
I think they’ve been out of the engine overhaul business for many years. Didn’t all their tools and parts go to Aviation Jersey, and were then dispersed following that operation’s demise in the wake of the Charles Church accident.
Rather than the engine itself, I suspect the major concern will be around the reduction gear unit that R-R built back in the 80s to convert Griffon 58s to single-drive. IIRC they only did 6, split between BBMF, RNHF and themselves, one of which was lost in the DX Firefly crash.
Rather an unseemly haste to ‘out’ the pilot before the dust has even settled. Does it really matter who was flying it?
Thanks guys. It does seem to be a very low-key project, although I understand he did visit the ongoing projects in Florida recently. I wonder if it is being actively worked on.
According to Mark at the time, the F8 was originally for the China deal.
Has the La9 flown in the USA at all?
The last I heard,it was still stored with the wings off.
The original plan I believe was for a Meteor to go to China, hence the OFMC acquisition of the ex-gate guard F8 that sat in the corner of their hangar for a few years. It later evolved into a Harrier for Lavochkin swap.
Did the Kermit Weeks La come from the same source in China, I can never remember?
Throwing a curved ball in -there are few who would argue that the Boeing 707 isn’t hugely influential in air transport ! However with one being scrapped at Manston there is little chance of a complete machine now being preserved in this country. We do however have numerous ‘duplicates’ in preservation -do we need to adopt a Noah’s Ark approach rather than multiple duplication based on popularity?
The problem is, David, as we’ve discussed here many times before, there is no co-ordinated collecting policy in the UK (or indeed any other country AFAIK). It is left to each individual museum or private collector decide what is deemed worthy of preservation. Availability of airframes obviously plays a major part. Hence we have dozens of Mystere IVs, a type with almost no significance in the UK, rotting into the dirt at some of the smaller museums, likewise a surfeit (many would argue) of Vulcans, yet a relative paucity of Victors and just a single Valiant.
With no overall national collection actively adding to their airframes since the Science Museum stopped in the 1980s, and the likes of the RAF Museum and IWM having a specialist remit, the chances of any serious long-term (i.e. indoor) further preservation of airliners must be virtually nil, since the ‘plague of Concordes’ that was inflicted on the UK preservation movement a few years back after BA’s withdrawal of the type. So we are left with a few Viscounts, BAC-111s, a couple of Britannias (none of which types AFAIK have any realistic chance of going under cover), one Comet inside at DX, and that’s about it. Unlikely that a Bristol Freighter will ever be seen again in the UK, nothing pre-war (apart from the dH biplanes) AFAIK, and that’s about the sum of the preserved remnants of the once-proud British airliner industry. In 100 years, the population will be left to think that in the 20th century everyone travelled in airliners with delta wings and pointy noses, as that’s all that will be left!
Still, there’s a good selection of classic US types tucked up nice and warm in Wroughton. 🙂
Surely the B-17 in the RAF museum would be a more suitable candidate for an RAF paint scheme?
……along with the B-25 and P-51. In much the same way that the 2 Spitfires, Beaufighter and Mosquito at Dayton are all displayed in USAAF markings.
I present my information as shown here on other forums and NEVER in 3years have others complained how i present it there…..
Sorry Phil, I’m going to call you out on that statement as it is a downright lie.
Who is Daniel/Phil please ?
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Migace
Sabredriver
Liberator
Heritageflyer
Daniel
And various other aliases, under which he’s been banned from most of the Warbird-related fora across the globe (some more than once) for his (lack of) posting etiquette.
I believe it has a spinner from a Beverley (?) and a home-made top cowling. At least we have it, thanks to the foresight of the Smithsonian in saving it when all the UK examples were chopped up for beer cans after the war. 🙁
Yes, that’s about it. I recall it was actually that they either couldn’t, or didn’t want to fit hijack-proof doors to the cockpit.
Moggy
Other DC-3 operators in Europe seem to have managed to carry on giving passenger flights under the same EASA rules, so I suspect the real reason is the latter of your two options Moggy. I’ve yet to see a DC-3 fitted with escape slides, so I’m sure that a lot of smoke and mirrors (see the “B-17 now classed the same as a 737 for insurance purposes” misinformation promulgated a few years back for another example) was used. It is also noteworthy that the operator in question no longer operates any “A to B” flights (they used to offer trips to airshows in the Rapides), so I suspect that this was a decision taken in line with the operator deciding to downscale passenger flying operations in general.