Reading this would give you the necessary peace of mind.

http://www.faqs.org/docs/air/avjag.html

cool, so a few two seaters will be NVG compatible when exactly?

As I said, do IAF Jags have NVGs right now? No

in the “future” IAF will get 120 LCAs and its Jags will have NVGs, but till then lets be frank here and just say that IAF Jags do not have them at the momment, it may salvage some of the little credibility you have left… 😉

Well fine then keep it in your home.

How much ever you pack a 60’s airframe, it still has significant flaws. One way to overcome that is through a ‘swarm attack’ logic. But then again, expect heavy losses and not much to go around with beyond the first strike.

And as for having more pilots/aircraft, then it is meaningless in actual combat. Again here logic seems to be the ultimate casualty.

well, if you really think pilot to plane ratios are meaningless in war, the last 50 odd years of arel combat must have just skipped you by….

ask, the Israelis, Pakistanis and USN just how important it is……

you really dont have a clue do you?

When a pilot comes back from a 5 hour strike mission and his plane is refueled and re armed in an hour, do you think the superman pilots just have a shave and jump back in the cockpit, or do you think there is another fresh pilot waiting to jump in the cockpit!?

Go figure….

yeah right. ‘Mirafe-III’ is very much a 90’s airframe. Oh no..but wait, it has undergone an awesome upgrade which has made it incomparable. What a load of sh*t.

And what in breezus do you mean by a ‘higher pilot to plane ratio’ ?? If you have fewer a/c’s you have fewer pilots. Damn … what sort of logic do you espouse on this forum. People have given better rejoinders w/e such crap has been published.

Instead of just going ****-a-hoop over statistics just compare how many generation 4 fighters both a/f’s have. And you will get the result. Can’t help it though if you want to remain blinded by intention and desire.

Almond
Thanks for the kind words

Pilot to plane ratios vary the world over, its a shame something like this has escpaed your notice, but frankly I am not suprised.

In a book “Fiza’Ya” written by Indian aviation journolist Pushpinder Singh, he goes onto state that although IAF graduates more pilots and navigators then PAF, because of its huge transport and chopper fleet (each aircraft requiring a pilot and navigator), PAF actually produce an equal number of FIGHTER pilots to the IAF

Due to IAF having more fighters, it generally works out that the IAF have approx 1 pilot per fighter, while the PAF has a 2 to 1 ratio

Yes, when you pack an airframe like Mirage with 90s avionics it becomes more formidable and much easier to maintain , you will find this will also be the case with the MIG-21 Bison upgrades in the IAF

This is not an evil Pakistani conspiracy chum, just a few home truths…. :dev2:

China until the J-11 and MKK project used to carry the maximum number of obsolete airframes in any airforce in the world.

OTH sheikhdoms like UAE carry one of the newest A/F arsenals in the world. So by your conclusions UAE can hand it down to China any day. :diablo:

Obviously when you have a ‘smallish’ A/F you can very easily throw around ‘percentages’. ooo…we have a larger percentage of such & such. Finally when the question arises of how many you have, you can very well count them on your fingers.

Almond
Newer airframes and newer electronics (see what PAF actually place inside Mirafes and F-7s) mean easier maintanance and higher availability, that coupled with the fact that PAF has a higher pilot to plane ratio then the IAF means our relatively newer birds should be getting off more wartime sorties in any conflict then IAFs huge MIG-21/23/27 fleet

yes, with only 32 F-16s PAF has a gap, but we can all expect news on new planes some time soon…….

As compared to the 50’s era junk that makes up the PAF? LOL.

The angst in your replies makes ones day!

PAF only operate T-37 from 1950s

Overall, on average PAF fleet is much younger then that of IAFs

simply take the average age of an IAF fighter like MIG21/23 that still comprises the bulk of the fleet and you will see

also, any evidence that the IAF jag fleet are being given NVGs or is this just another of the things on the “to do” list!?

We have still come to the conclusion that an IAF ground attack Jag has no radar or FLIR or NVG compatibility, while PAF Mirages do

am I correct or not?

All I was trying to do was prove Ramachandaran wrong when he claimed PAF Mirages were “obsolete” compared to IAF Jags, and it seems all the posters have helped me prove my case

Its incorrect to state that ALL IAF Jags dont have radars, some of them do have radars. The Jag IM have Agave which were/are being replaced by Elta 2032 which are soon gonna acquire SAR/ISAR too per lastest MOD report.

Further a cursory look at your ROSE upgrades data seems to point to what IAF did with Jag in the mid 80’s in the form of DARIN and now with DARIN II. Your write goes onto point that 1600 ULISS units have been in operation on 25 diff a/c which would include the IAF Jag which used the earlier ULISS 82. And if ULISS 92 gives the Mirage INS/GPS then DARIN II also has that also suspeciously from SAGEM (and how different the IAF Jag SAGEM INS/GPS system is different from a SAGEM ULISS 92 INS/GPS on the PAF Mirage is a $64,000 question)

Also all the IB being produced by HAL are DARIN-II which also has DARE designed dual Mission comps.

Now I dont profess to know as much about a/c like you do…but if your awareness of Jag is anything to go by…I dont think I missed much.

George, I am not saying IAF Jags are obolete, but was disputing ramachandarans suggestion that they surpass Grifo/ROSE PAF Mirages, which I am sure you will agree, are very well equipped, as for DARIN, PAF have Dart system and Atlis II,

And to suggest all Indian Jaguars lack radar is equally ludicrous 😀

OK good point, all IAF GROUND ATTACK jags lack radar, happy!? 😉