Kudos. But the most important thing is that KMU-18 (КМУ-18) and it’s associated technologies exist.
It is the forerunner & facilitator for further developments of adding exotic nanoparticles such as Co, Ni, Fe etc in a multilayer structure. This is by no means easy as the polymer composite becomes structurally weaker especially at higher temperatures (remember F-35 PMC de-lamination problems around the engine nacelles a few years ago?).
There are many Russian companies involved in the development of CNT RAM and there are many successive iterations of patents – an indicator of not only the importance given to these materials by the RuMoD, but also ongoing research into capability and bringing production costs down.
However, I’m an optimist – I believe that if India’s DRDO can manage the feat (“Status – Developed”), the Russians can too. Otherwise FGFA is gonna be much stealthier than PAK-FA!
Regarding your enduring cynicism: for (whatever reason) you either failed to realise the significance of KMU-18 or merely ‘took your eye off the ball’ in these intervening 7 years – but I am hardly to blame for that now, am I?
…I don’t see here mention of any _practical incorporation_ of the CNT and fullerenes on T-50 again.
Созданный углепластик КМУ-18, содержащий в своем составе астралены, находится в стадии паспортизации и предназначен для использования в конструкции планеров самолетов ПАК-ФА (2-й этап), SSJ-130, МС-21.
Для защиты от поражения молниевым разрядом конструкций из углепластика, выходящих на внешнюю поверхность планера (составляющих > 50%), во ФГУП «ВИАМ» для изделий МС-21, ПАК-ФА и ряда вертолетов разработано молниестойкое покрытие, представляющее собой углепластик, содержащий в своем составе астралены и фуллерены.
[FGUP VIAM]Produced CFRP KMU-18, containing in its composition astralenes, currently in the process of being certified and is designed for use in the airframes of PAK-FA (Stage 2), SSJ-130, MS-21.
For protection against lightning strikes/discharges on structures of carbonfibre of the outer surface of the airfame (amounting to >50%), FGUP “VIAM” has designed a lightning-strike protective coating for the MS-21, the PAK-FA and several helicopters, which is a carbon fibre composed of astralenes and fullerenes.
If you would kindly note the date of the article.
I see here a page from presentation of Indian DRDO Defence Materials and Stores Research and Development Establishment (DMSRDE) materials developed for Indian UCAV and (A)MCA from AeroIndia 2013 taken at the Trushul blog. What has it to do with PAK FA?
Nope, wrong doc. I think you’ll find my para-phrased translation of ‘Section 2.7’ not too inaccurate, as you have already declined to do so.
My humble wish was just make you think of separating someone’s whishful thinking from the realitiy.
My slippers! How they laugh!!
Firstly, you have an’ OKB Sukhoi’ company brochure clearly stating the incorporation of CNTs and fullerenes to make its polymer composites more electrically conductive, affording greater lightning strike protection and below it is pictured the apparently in-house production method for the CNTs (PECVD).
Then you have an official industry-only document detailing ‘manufacturing preparations for [polymer] composite materials‘ including “elements of load bearing panels from radar-absorbent structures (RAS) and materials” – specifically for the PAK-FA.
For a (supposedly knowledgeable) person to deny these facts and wish to reset the debate to 2010, since when many hundreds of pages were written on the topic and vigorously debated, then I guess cartoons are the only riposte – and perhaps a convenient smokescreen for sheer ignorance.

“Master f, I googled for Indian RAM and…”
“-Did you google in Hindi? No? – Well it can’t be true!!”
“Master, are you still sure about the side-arrays?”
“-Positive I tell you! Positive!!”
Sure, it’s all just for research ya’know!….all just for laughs!
http://www.rusnanonet.ru/download/documents/radar_absorbent_material.pdf
Classic! To be filed with..

“Master, are you sure those AREN’T side-arrays?!”
“Yes ‘flanker’, I’m absolutely positive!!”…
Do you think final product will use the GaN modules? I recall something of Rostec looking at making modules cheaper and smaller. I guess that is GaAs modules?
That was ‘NPP Istok’s’ development of GaAs pHEMTs – specially doped GaAs MMICs resulting in significantly increased power output, as a cheaper alternative to GaN:
Mikran & TUSUR have developed a method to substitute the precious metals in the GaN chip’s substrates to reduce cost.*
GaN materials and microwave integrated circuits will become much cheaper when (already) LEDs and (later) 5G/IoT technologies become ubiquitous.
Lol, and where is confirmation here that CNT/fullerene RAM is used for T-50?
It’s not. T-50 and other LO-pimped a/c here are using a family of ITAE-developed RAM.
Well, unlike yourself, I’m sure the folks at ITAE are aware that the lightning shielding effects of CNT/fullerene composites aren’t their only *special* property, that’s even before they add their own layer ‘recipes’:
В ИТПЭ РАН разрабатываются методы формирования упорядоченных и неупорядоченных систем на различных масштабах их линейных размеров (нанокомпозитов, макроскопических сборок для фотонных кристаллов, макетов структурс отрицательными диэлектрической и/или магнитной проницаемостями).
Фактически сформировалось новое направление в материаловедении – технология композиционных
материалов с многоуровневой организациейhttp://www.itae.ru/science/topics/%D0%A2%D0%B5%D0%BC%D0%B0%20%E2%84%963.pdf
…оснащены современной техникой лаборатория нанотохнологии композиционных материалов и тонкопленочных структур и покрытий…
The current NO36 main AESA contains the (widely accepted) number of 1,526 GaAs T/R modules of 15W (peak) output, series produced by ‘NPP Istock’:

Russian GaN developments for AESAs see:
http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?135806-The-PAK-FA-News-Pics-amp-Debate-Thread-XXV&p=2281762#post2281762
http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?135806-The-PAK-FA-News-Pics-amp-Debate-Thread-XXV&p=2281246#post2281246
Sepheronx, it is a derivative of this:
http://www.freepatent.ru/patents/2482149
Hence a close relative to the type used on the F-35 (and later retrofitted to the F-22).
See also Section 2.7:
Once more, you are making too far fetching conclusions from the wishful thinking of some and publications that have little connection to the actual subject.
You said much the same regarding my postulations on CNT/fullerene RAM for the T-50 – until it was officially confirmed years later.*
Perhaps a more constructive response in this case would’ve been exactly how do you think the aluminium fan blade is reinforced to withstand the mechanical & thermal pressures of operating at 14k+ rpm?
*http://www.up-pro.ru/imgs/library/innovations/management/oak/ris2.jpg
http://forum.keypublishing.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=232129&d=1412270392
Jo, I’m just trying to tell you (as I did 3 years ago) that let’s say not all of the Northrop Grumman patents issued in last 5 years have direct relationship to B-21. As well not all of the patents and papers issued by VIAM, CIAM, ODK, Saturn, UMPO have ties to PI.
Not all that fancy videos produced by scabs from Rostech or Rosnano have impact on real life. Etc.
I’m sure you can find it in your heart to forgive my mistake of thinking they’d use CFRP fan blades (however modified), having been misled by an ‘NPP Salyut’ publication that detailed such research for military turbofans. Back to actualities…
It’s all very well that Pratt and Alcoa have pioneered the aluminium fan blades for the PW1000G series of geared civilian turbofans, but the question you have to ask is how have ‘NPP Motor’ and UGATU achieved the same for the Type-30 LP comp.?
The latter will have nearly 3x the rpm and will hence require much higher strength and creep-plasticity thresholds. In fact, the problems would be the same as those encountered by ‘NPP Salyut’ during their CFRP fan tests for a fighter engine.
If you care not for the video above, then perhaps this link (page 2) will strongly hint at their chosen aluminium [composite] blade strengthening method. Obviously, the radar absorption ‘by-product’ is a highly desirable property in the case of the Type-30.
Oh dear, so you link the NPO Saturn ppt that I myself introduced everyone to, but yet fail to realise how coy they are over materials. Can you read what they say about the materials in stages 1 & 2? Well here’s what the real materials in those stages are:
http://www.umpo.ru/News118_743.aspx
You link a tender clueless as to the fact it just lists a whole host of metals, alloys etc under a general category then link that general category to a non-steel (nickel super-alloy) patent*. Absolutely incredible!! Kinda sums up your ‘shot in the dark’ *understanding*.
*http://www.findpatent.ru/patent/245/2453398.html
Oh, and the proper term is 3D metal sintering, but, of course, you wouldn’t know that.
to be continued…
Oh you!! Could’ve waited a few days to mark the 3rd anniversary of that post!
Anyways, re: ‘stealth compressor’ in the intervening years I also posted this:
Perhaps you (being a native speaker) could translate the important/relevant bits in the video yourself – as your protégé thinks VV751P* is steel (!) and to this day can’t figure out the meaning of:
Выполнение канала воздухозаборника S-образным……Каждая полость имеет меньшую площадь поперечного сечения, чем канал ВЗ в этой зоне.
One shouldn’t concern oneself with CAD images of spars & stringers from the distant past and instead concentrate on actual pictures of the duct pulled from T-50-7 elsewhere on this thread. Then one can debate features like ‘is that an integrated fuel cell on the roof of the duct? (a la Eurofighter) and the clear discernibility of “variance in the cross-sectional area in the intake” – as per the official patent……the very same one that states S-ducks……..(twice), and what impact these features have on LOS blockage.
It beggars belief there are those who still think the late 1980s S-duck is the only viable type of S-duck over thirty years later (for whatever warped reason) – I’ll put it down to ignorance and stupidity.
Anyways, enough of the mindless regurgitators of staleness already, an update from this report:
http://www.umpo.ru/News118_873.aspx
…here’s another World exclusive:
The Type-30’s 1st stage fan (of 3-stage LP compressor) is entirely constructed of an aluminium superalloy (a World first for a fighter engine), and BLISKed by linear friction welding (LFW):
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The fan’s weight saving from the previous generation (117/S) is claimed to be more than 40%!
Yet another World exclusive (as I’m still in a good mood, post holiday):
Also confirmed for the Type-30 is an IGV made entirely of “special” polymer matrix composites (PMCs). The designers of the PMC IGV have stated that although the Type-30’s specific thrust (удельная тяга) is only increased by 5% [over the 117] the specific weight (удельный вес) saving is a whopping 25%!!
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…more T-50 [World] exclusives to follow..
Not sure if the upload was 1080p, but here you go, nkvd:
I bet they speedily mumbled the bit about the PW1400G geared-turbofan- but still a considerable achievement.
Yes, but ask yourself, XTX, which are likely to have the more powerful and mechanically robust actuators? LE flaps or LEVCONs?