Another World first for ‘Type 30’, a BLING (don’t think F136’s counts):

Лопатка турбины – это абсолютно уникальное изделие. Она представляет собой сложную пространственную конструкцию…

The turbine blade- is an absolutely unique product. It represents a sophisticated spatial design…

http://www.findpatent.ru/patent/247/2478796.html
http://www.findpatent.ru/patent/246/2467177.html

The blade’s a single-crystal nickel ‘super alloy’ with several exotic constituents including W, Re, Ta, Mo- developed in conjunction with MMPP ‘Salyut’ (ММПП “Салют”).

Oh dear, on top of everything else, a liar as well.

Just beat it…

…but you presented titanium, wide chord, hollow fan blades as a ‘solid fact’, evidenced by a 6 year old graphic (remember the poorly put together ones on a website that never once mentioned your ‘solid facts’ but you said “how official do you want it?”).

Then your ‘solid facts’ disproved ‘real-World’ developments of FSW for MMC, temp. & strength characteristics of thermosets vs. thermoplastics, thermoplastic utilisation in the aviation industry and engines, FSW for thermoplastics etc. NOT!!

Having buried this thread under an avalanche of bull crap those ‘Solid facts’ (that were specific only to you), led you to charge off a cliff……and now your response is “beat it”?! Incredible!

Would you be so kind as to ask the MODs to reinstate my “cold section, you idiot” post because a certain recent revelation has demonstrated everything in that post to be a ‘real-World fact’ (nothing lost in ‘parsing’). I checked with the forum codes and the term ‘idiot’ would only be an insult if it was untrue, also shouldn’t be a problem because they left that offensive comedy photoshop of yours containing the word ‘b*****d’ on. Thanks.

I also took the time to find you an avatar, I thought it most fitting as you both have a comparable understanding of engineering and the same level of kindergarden antics. Say thank you.

For everyone else, this is FGUP TsIAM’s (ФГУП ЦИАМ) recent MMC turbine blade development. Evidently it’s a BLISK, definitely not CNC or LFW, so how?

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http://www.findpatent.ru/patent/242/2424884.html

JSTVCVWDE09898OCD, something may have got lost in all that ‘parsing’, but in aerospace engineering terms (as opposed to kindergarden jackassery), what is the ‘cold section’ of a fighter’s low by-pass turbofan composed of?

Yeah you’re right. Last summer in California the Samsung Electronics lawyers should have said “Your Honour, the ‘Apple’ patents are joke patents worthy only of toilet paper!! What matters is the factual & legal weight of these ambiguous, badly put together 6 year-old cartoon graphics…”

VNIIALMAZ looks like a serious engineering outfit, as you’ve stated developing FSW for the MS-21, and that patent looks to be for a very specific purpose indeed.

2 polymer composite fan blades developed by OAO NIAT (ОАО НИАТ),

Thermoplastic:

http://www.findpatent.ru/patent/238/2384750.html

Thermoset:

http://www.findpatent.ru/patent/238/2384749.html

Let’s see if you can find how closely affiliated to UGATU, NPP ‘Motor’ & UMPO these guys are- and if they’d be amused by ‘joke’ patents.

Now that you’re ‘shifting sands’ again declaring some form of tangible production is what really matters, these guys (in conjunction with TsAGI) are big on CNT modified composites for manufacture of major aircraft & engine components including a nano-modified polymer composite compressor fan blade:

http://mempct.ru/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=29&Itemid=20

Can you see something interesting in the subsection titled ‘The Main Competitive Advantage’? I’ll give you a clue:

1.Наличие результатов НИР по…..графенами

Suddenly VNIIALMAZ’s robotic FSW device doesn’t look like a joke, does it?

Then why are you asking the same stupid questions in different guises? When you’re not moving the goal-posts and endlessly quoting yourself, that is.

If you’d read these 2 properly, your latest sojourn into jackassery could have been avoided:

http://www.iapd.org/dwp_test/pdf/thermoplastic_composites_aerospace.pdf
http://www.compositesworld.com/articles/thermoplastic-composites-primary-structure

It’s Europe, Russia & Asia that will lead the way in ‘Thermoplastics’ civil applications because the US would have to make substantial re-investments to pry itself away from ‘Thermosets’, not feasible in present financial climes. The US military won’t get left behind, though.

Closing in on our elusive ‘thermoplastic composite BLISK’

GE patent from 2006/07:

This invention relates generally to thermoplastic components and more particularly bonding of such components by friction stir welding.

It is known in the prior art to construct composite materials using a thermoplastic polymer matrix with reinforcing fibre, hereinafter referred to as “thermoplastic composites”. These materials combine light weight and good strength..Examples of turbine engine components which may be constructed from reinforced plastic include rotating fan blades, outlet guide vanes, reverser cascades, and various other static structures.

http://www.google.com/patents/EP1941987A1?cl=en

Recent robotic FSW co-development between Grenzebach Mashtech Ltd, Kuka & EADS:

http://www.grenzebach.com/index.php/eng/technology/special_solutions/friction_stir_welding/grenzebach_friction_stir_welding_technology_package

If the Russians can’t develop their indigenous version, won’t have to wait too long to buy it:

http://www.grenzebach.com/index.php/eng/company/grenzebach_russia_moscow
http://www.findpatent.ru/patent/244/2446927.html

Russian imports of hi-tech welding gear set to rise to nearly $1bn in 2017:

http://weldingdesign.com/archive/oil-and-gas-sector-driving-welding-equipment-sales-russia
http://www.holroyd.com/news/ptg-news-full.php?news_id=29&section=SHARED

…as for fighters, much of this info should be on the ‘6G Thread’.

Not for the first time in this thread, it’s LM that gives an insight into what the Russkies are up to:

http://www.faqs.org/patents/app/20090258232

..and here’s a Russian version:

http://www.findpatent.ru/patent/245/2456361.html

Friction stir welding is a solid state joining process developed in the early 1990s, that utilizes a high strength rotating pin tool to create frictional heat which induces plastic flow to create a bond between two metallic surfaces. This process is primarily used on aluminium, and most often on large pieces which cannot be easily heat treated after welding to recover temperature characteristics. The friction stir welding process may be used with other materials as well, such as for example, other metals and plastics.

http://www.faqs.org/patents/app/20090258232

As friction stir welding (FSW)/ сварка трением с перемешиванием (СТП) is just another version of linear friction welding (LFW)* used for aluminium and it’s alloys, as the latter is used to create high-integrity joins between fan blades and discs: ‘BLISK’s- this is the product (MMC**) and associated technology (FSW/СТП) UGATU & NPP ‘Motor’ are bringing to UMPO in the aforementioned programme for the “высокопрочных лопаток для двигателя перспективного авиационного комплекса фронтовой авиации (ПАК ФА)“.***

В перспективных двигателях пятого и шестого поколений на первых ступенях применяются лопатки из металлокомпозитов, где в матрице из алюминиевого или магниевого сплава располагаются армирующие нити из бора и углерода.

In the future engines of the 5th & 6th generation, the fan blades for the first stage [of the compressor] will be made of metal matrix composites, where on a matrix of aluminium or magnesium alloy are [impregnated] the reinforcing yarns of boron and carbon.

******** *********, Уфа : УГАТУ, 2010

I think I’ve found our composite ‘BLISK’, Djcross.

* http://www.gkn.com/aerospace/media/resources/Presentations/Solid-State-Welding-Farnborough-Air-Show-2012.pdf
** http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showpost.php?p=2010044&postcount=420
*** “high-strength blades for the PAK-FA’s engine”.

A limiting factor in most axial turbomachines is the blade-to-disk attachment. Overstressed blade-to disk attachments crack and fail, causing the turbomachine to throw the blade. Throw one blad and the out-of-balance turbomaching can quickly self-disassemble. It is an issue with the metallurgy/stress limitations of the metalic disk. This is why the “blisk” was a technological breakthrough. The blisk eliminated attachment failures by eliminating the attachment.

If a composite version of the blisk could be produced, it would be a monumental breakthrough.

DJ, metal matrix composites (MMCs) can be linear friction welded (LFW), i.e. ‘BLISK’, or even the more recent ‘bladed ring’ (BLING :D).

Thanks for your efforts to collect all the infomation.

But just need to mentions 2 things regarding to 129 or type 30.

One is that UEC ( Perm ) already made her choice to pick up materials solutions of fan, LPC, HPC, combustion chamber, HPT and LPT for PD-14.
and in the past several years, has been investing serious money into these engineering developments , pushing very hard to mature these tech solutions to an industrial level.

The other one, according to public information, Engineering development of 129 or type 30 inherited engineering archievments made and proven during PD-14 development, including materials solutions.

Considering the tight schedule and limited investment for type 30, can symply presume that UEC management and engineers would not have the luxury of financial resource and time not to use the existing materials and engineering solutions for PD-14. ( pushing a lot of new engineering and materials solutions from Lab R&D to industrial productions is just too costly, tieme-consuming, risky and unnecessary. )

Let’s wait and see what is going on with type 30, regarding materials solutions.

That’s utter bullcrap. I’ve given you the single most critical stealth feature and materials engineering solution that facilitated the scrapping of S-ducks sometime 2006/07 when the design of the T-50 was frozen and approved- it doesn’t get more fundamental than that. The only thing clear about the attachments you’re peddling is that they’re over 5 years old and for the public domain, I’m giving you up-to-the-minute updates on developments that they’ll never openly admit to.

You couldn’t be more wrong on “tight schedule and limited funding”-you think a fully government budgeted development running 2006-2012 is just for kicks to keep idle hands & minds busy? for a totally exotic & unconventional MMC structure? (Ti-MMC is the main focus of Western engine application R&D).

I don’t deny synergy with PD-14, that’s more to do with capital tooling investment and upgrades for production: linear friction welding, isothermal forging, diffusion welding etc. If what you say is true, the PAK-FA stage 2 engine would have been ready for the the T-50’s first flight. I don’t think you’re reading my posts carefully, and you’re certainly not understanding them- and for sure you’ve not been able to decipher the enigmatic ‘Type 30’ project over the last several years.

Seeking out company data is my job. Good day.