Hi Sky High
Yes…If operated under an AOC, the a/c must also have a public transport C of A…I’m not sure if there is an AOC operated vintage type, other than the Rapide, though I’m sure someone knows. I know some people were trying to get a Tiger Moth on an AOC but they may have been defeated…commercial reward is the point. Anyone can fly in any aeroplane unless they have to pay for it.
I’m with a lot of you in that I would have no hesitation in getting into a Permit aircraft (used to own one or two) if I knew or knew of the owner…the problem is that the public at large are generally ignorant of such things and should be protected from those who would take their money and not provide the safest experience.
It’s all well and good until something goes wrong.
Chrs
OK, daft question, but.. The Goodwood Harvard belongs to the flying club there and operates as a training aircraft. To fly in it, one books a lesson and obtains temporary membership of the flying club. Thus, a non-passenger carrying aircraft according to CAA rules is able to completely legally convey members of the public for money, as they are NOT passengers but student pilots.
I’m curious – is this a potential model for a two-seat Spit operation? Only hypothetically – I’m not suggesting that anyone does this or should do it in the future!
Hi Beermat,
I operate T-6G Texan G-TEXN from Shoreham, and we do the same as the Goodwood Harvard…but we can only do so because our T6 has a Public Transport Certificate of Airworthiness, something that a Spitfire will never get. It operates under a Permit to Fly. That doesn’t mean that the engineering standards are necessarily lower or the aircraft is less safe. However the CAA have a duty of care to the public and must ensure that flights that can be bought and paid for in interesting ‘warbird’ types are as closely governed as flights that can be bought and paid for in airliners. Hence approved parts only, major/minor mods, requirement for licensed engineers, 50hr checks, annuals, star annuals etc.
Also our flights are trial lessons…the public must have the opportunity to get their hands on the stick, so it must be dual controls, and the pilot has to be an instructor.
Chrs
Is it the Dennis Kenyon of rotary wing fame? I think it might be.
A Sunderland?
Bazy,
Agreed you might be able to manage, though if you misjudge the approach you’ll have your work cut out if you need to apply power…however on a Hurricane the rudder also accounts for a fair portion of the vertical fin area, so we’re not just talking loss of the use of a control surface, there will also be a significant reduction in lateral stability…add a bit of longitudinal instability from the loss of elevator area and you have one serious handful of an aircraft…
It’s a great testament to the skill of the pilot and the design that the aircraft was able to land in one piece.
You don’t need rudder once airborne.
And there is a little bit of the elevator left.
I’d take issue with this…in a jet the rudder is pretty much superficial to requirements (other than yaw damping)in flight unless you lose an engine, in which case it becomes essential…In a torquey old warbird though, it’s important to maintain balanced flight (with power changes and in turns)and keep the a/c right side up if you need to fly a go around. If you’ve ever tried to turn with aileron in a Tiger Moth you’ll find a rudder indispensable…also if you’ve ever had to recover from a spin…
So…to fly a Hurricane without rudder is a pretty precarious business and one in which the safe outcome is in doubt.
Neil Williams Zlin had a spar failure and he rolled it inverted to keep it in compression, rolled out at the last minute and crunched in…but walked away. Another feat of airmanship.
Hi Graham,
That video is CGI. There is no way that an aerobatic aircraft can lose a wing and return to the ground in one piece (unless you have a ballistic recovery system…)
Good pic of the Hurricane though. Amazing he got it down.