The bigger question still for me is why the pilot attempted the maneuver outside of the airfield boundary in the first place.
Normally any display maneuver is aimed at crowd centre unless its a re-positioning which he had already completed.
So it appears to me he was too early, too low and too slow.
I visited Duxford on Sunday to see the BBMF Lancaster, and for the first time noticed either a masking tape or a painted stripe on all the fuselage joints, although the fuz is still together.
Just quickly checked a few pics, and can’t see that they’ve always been there.
The other paint looks intact, maybe they are re-applying the fabric strips?
I recall my dad telling me how he once flew to France from Lydd in a Bristol freighter, with his Mk 2 Jaguar.
Must have been some experience, and some cost…Don’t think you’d fit too many cars and passengers
There were still many boats, windsurfers etc all viewing from under the flight line too, so no restrictions there.
To me sat on the beach in front of the wish tower, the flight line appeared to be as usual, as did the flying display, with some quite low action.
Just not so many arrived around Beachy Head as before, possibly because of their routing from Biggin Hill, Lydd, Headcorn etc.
I see those that were temporarily based at Shoreham came round Beachy head.
I’m going to RIAT and camping on the site adjoining the perimeter fence.
There is normally a host of local fields occupied by camping or visitors opposite the official crowd line, in fact one of the usual official viewing areas is on the airfield site but opposite the grandstand crowd line.
I’m assuming that this area will now be clear, and that all local residents who rent out their fields will not be permitted to do so?
By the state of ticket availability, it looks like airshows are not dead just yet…..
One Day Tickets
Friday 8 July – AVAILABLE
Saturday 9 July – SOLD OUT
Sunday 10 July – AVAILABLE
2 Day Tickets
Friday 8 + Saturday 9 – SOLD OUT
Friday 8 + Sunday 10 – AVAILABLE
Saturday 9 + Sunday 10 – SOLD OUT
3 Day Ticket
Friday 8 + Saturday 9 + Sunday 10 – SOLD OUT
Pity when you click on the front page it fails to navigate to the correct page
Not really sure what all this discussion is on a display pilots age.
Don’t recall reading any suggestion of age in the incident report or recommendations.
I wonder what the average age is of the pilots on the show circuit?
My guess would be that there are more older display pilots than young display pilots, which means that there is more chance of an older pilot being involved in an incident.
How about the Victor being painted half and half?
I consider 63 to be old
Age is dependent on the individual. I’m 55 and raced motorbikes when I was in my early 20’s, started again in 2010 and enjoy racing at the sharp end regularly getting top 10 out of a field of 40 with ages spread from late teens right through with more than 1 old wrinkly beating the youngsters.
Exhibiting a fast jet at an airshow should not require lightning reactions, whereas the potential to flying fast jets in combat is a different scenario and is more about risk and reaction.
I believe Martin Withers was a tad older than 63 when displaying the Vulcan, the RAF appeared to accept the risk of formation flying with the Red Arrows as acceptable.
It’s a sad fact that on many of the forums that the theme seems to be more about what the airshow goers /photographers / enthusiasts are set to lose and not one mention of the real victims in this, the 11 families watching each of their loved ones milestones going by birthdays,Father’s Day, anniversaries etc.
This topic I believe is discussing the impact that any new ruling may have on future air displays, not whether the Shoreham incident was or was not a tragedy, which it clearly was.
I don’t know the statistics, but would imagine similar numbers of deaths each day occur in road accidents, but they fail generally make the national news, let alone make generic ruling or banning one particular model of car for a poor safety record, or scrapping all cars without airbags, let alone those old cars without seat belts and poor brakes.
Any incident should be investigated, and some important discoveries and recommendations have been made. The authorities need to weigh up the risk of another incident and it’s possible prevention, but risks must be scrutinized and some risks have to be acknowledged.
Planes can and do fall out of the sky for all sorts of reasons, but it must be considered an acceptable risk to overfly a city such as London by an airliner as its one of the main approaches to Heathrow. It is all a balance.
I’m sure if the helicopter that hit the crane a few years ago had actually killed more than 2 people then the resulting recommendations would have been far more severe.
If the Hunter had come down in a field like the Hurricane, then I’m sure the fallout and therefore measures would be less.
Any plane coming down on a road or somewhere and killing as many would have sparked a similar outrage.
But apart from seaside venues, I would imagine any UK airshow is going to be close to a road or population and has to overfly some populated areas no matter how sparse.
There will always be airshows, but I’m sure they will include less high energy maneuvers and the aircraft will fly higher and further away than at present.
I’m sure the R/C model community will not be far behind, especially with the increasing number of fast jet models and their easy availability and affordability.
And i’m sure the days of the Isle of Man motorcycle races and car rallying events where spectators are literally at the edge of the road will either stop, or no longer have spectators outside protective enclosures.
I am also surprised by this, I would have thought every display would have a scheduled series of manoeuvres.
What I didn’t get from the two AAIB reports or anywhere else is did the pilot of the Hunter at Shoreham deviate from his flight plan?
I witnessed the event from the crowd line, and to this day wonder why the pilot did a fly past, re-positioned the aircraft and then did the ill fated loop so far from crowd centre?
Normally most maneuvers like loops are crowd centre, so everyone can enjoy the spectacle.
I would have thought this would have been an important element in the investigation, even if the flight was following the prescribed plan, to try and assess exactly where the flight went wrong.
No jackets, but I have bought a couple of nose art panels from http://www.farlamairframes.co.uk/
They recreate nose art on small aircraft scraps that are the same type as the nose art was originally from.
I have no interest in the business, but just enjoy the product. If the mods think this is inappropriate then please remove.