The STOVL variant loses about 100-150 miles of range due to the lost fuel capacity taken up by the liftfan. Compared to previous generation of STOVL aircraft (i.e. Harrier), the F-35B is also thought to lack the same level of VIFF’ing capabilities (though who knows what has been simulated in the labs), though it does have a better thrust margin.
The really interesting question is going to be what else can the DoD use the 29,000 hp produced by the F-35B’s main engine for ? Take out the liftfan and replace it with a DEW-type weapon or an EW suite, and some fairly interesting possibilities emerge.
PhantomII:
Relax bud. Not slating the Zulu, merely stating the fact that the helicopter is no faster than the rest of the pack – it’s as fast as a Mi-28 or A129I, but slower than an Apache and – *if* EC is to be believed – the Tiger. But still good value for money, and thanks to its installed power margin its performance certainly suffers less from stores carriage than the lighter Tiger and A129I (the 137kt cruise speed figure quoted by the USN is with stores).
Re: the fairings, Inside the Navy carried an interview with John Millman of the Navy’s H-1 Program Office on the subject last month.
Of course, even by the ’60s the influence of German engineering could still be seen; much of the individual specialisms developed by France and the UK (plus the USA and USSR) depended on which parts of the German aero industry each individual nation had been able to get their hands on in ’45…
France and the Brits had some wonderful aerodynamic designs (and radar development in the case of the UK), but it was the huge capital investment required for systems development (both vacuum tube and solid state) which allowed the USA to pull away from the pack from the 60s.
Whenever the France vs. UK argument erupts, it’s always useful to pause and consider that the design for the most successful product of the two (the Mirage) was effectively given to France when the UK decided not to proceed with Fairey’s efforts. So who takes the credit ?! 🙂 (Answer: French salesmen !)
Couple of final points: the UK ‘realized that you could put turbine engines in helicopters’ at about the same time as the French (late 40s), with Napier running its first turboshaft in ’55; by that time, however, the UK (via Westlands) had pretty much decided to mate itself to Sikorsky, which probably impacted the pace of developments.
And re: the Marbore/J69, this was of minimal significance given GE’s development of the J85; in essence, the acquisition of the Marbore simply reflected the over-riding focus of GE, P&W and Allison on bigger cores, and was primarily pursued to allow TDY to accelerate its own disposable engine R&D efforts.
The AH-1Z, while a very agile bird, is not that fast: the cruise KPP is only 140kts, and the Marines have recently accepted a 3kt reduction to avoid having to develop new fairings for the Zulu’s LAU-68 pods and landing skids.
Re: the Seahawk, I suspect she was only 30 kts slower than the Black Hawk due to her extra weight and substantially more cluttered lines (radome, ESM, dipping sonar, etc.). I would expect a vanilla MH-60S (for example) to match the UH-60M’s speed.
The Sikorsky JHL offering now also features a high-bypass ducted prop/fan either side of the fuselage (i.e. compounded propulsion).
There has also been research into the use of piezoelectric structures (esp. leading edges) to steer bullets/shells aerodynamically.
SteveO,
The background engineering effort was completed, but the UK decided not to fund the integration & test phase.
Can’t comment on the internal FAMET thought processes, but I could certainly imagine that the Mike, Romeo and Sierra Hawks were part of the assessment, along with the EC725 and H-92. Doubtless NATO/WEU commonality and industrial considerations would have played a part in the decision.
Re: NH90 spec, I suspect that the initial buy will be TTHs, with NFHs considered at a later date. (There are now over 20 NH90 variants when cabin, mission avionics & powerplant are considered.)
As you point out, Spain’s rotary-wing fleet is in a pretty sorry state at present due to airworthiness concerns, so let’s hope it recovers quickly !
Cheers,
T.
Jorge –
Incorrect. The Spanish MoD undertook a review before its selection, and industry was well aware of the procurement intention.
T.
IIRC, they never actually flew a manned version, only scale models. I also recall that the powerplant seemed to change every time it appeared in Flight (Larzac -> Adour -> F404 -> R199….)
I/C
Always thought the Ka-29 Helix variant looked the business myself:




The most heavily armed Black Hawk in service is the MH-60L DAP:

Though the Navy is getting into the act by arming both the MH-60R Strikehawk and MH-60S Knighthawk (AHWS upgrade) with eight Hellfires:


IIRC, the XF-84H – although never intended to break M1 itself – pretty much ended those dreams, much to the relief of groundcrew across the nation…
Interesting to see the HiMAT influence on the design.
In addition to the Type 90/WZ-551 APC, the WZ designation is also applied to a number of other armored vehicles including the Type 98 MBT (WZ-123), the Type 59 copy of the T-54 (WZ-120) and the WZ-701 CP.
According to the FAS, “Traditionally Chinese weapons were given a simple ‘Type’ designator consisting of a two digit year of manufacture or proposal followed by the Chinese word for ‘type’, and the description of the weapon. More recently designations have been based on a combination of Pinyin letters and numbers that are independent of the year of manufacture. Thus, a YW represents Armored Personnel Carrier and a WZ represents Armed Vehicle.”
It gets more confusing, however. In addition to the AFV and attack helo connotations, the WZ suffix is also applied to Chinese UAVs (Wuren Zhencha, as in the WZ-5 copy of the Firebee — also known as the WuChen-5 — and the twin-engined Guizhou WZ-2000 UCAV).
And if that’s not bad enough, the WZ acronym is also used for Chinese turboshafts, including the Wozhou-6 (WZ-6) copy of the Turbomeca Turmo produced by the Changzou Lan Xiang Machinery Works (Jiangxi Helicopter Engine Factory) for the Chenghe Z-8 (which is now being re-engined with the P&WC PT6B-67C), and the Wozhou-8 (WZ-8) copy of the TM Arriel produced by the China National South Aero-Engine Company (Zhuzhiu Aero Engine Factory, aka SAEC) for the Harbin Z-9/WZ-9 family.
All of which presumably aids Beijing’s MILDEC/CI activities !!
Last week’s (April 18th 2005).